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okay

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hey

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this is another episode of ufo garage

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i'm ben and i'm joe and this is where we

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talk about ufos aliens and all things

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weird

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heck yeah welcome back it's another

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thursday

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how you doing

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hey man i'm doing good i'm feeling funky

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i'm feeling

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i'm really excited honestly this has

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been an exciting week for ufos and uaps

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and like it's been interesting right

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govern government stuff and

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you know there's words there's better

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words for that but doing like things

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like

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hearings

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wow

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yeah the subcommittee stuff did you

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watch any of it i did i watched a little

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bit of it yeah you don't you don't wanna

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know what i think dude

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i can already tell it's a little sour or

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i mean it's not like totally sour it's

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first it's sweet no first it's sour then

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it's sweet

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it's like a sour patch kid

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you gotta think on it for a little bit

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and then you're like okay it was a

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little sweet it was a little it was a

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little sweet

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we had fun we had fun didn't it's candy

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we had a good time we had a good time

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i mean that's kind of what

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that's the whole problem right

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when

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did you did you notice that moment where

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they were like

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never heard

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oh he was a really important person nope

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sorry yeah you know edgar mitchell

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fast or not uh yeah i don't even i don't

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know oh no no that actually oh i was i

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thought you were talking about the

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bakery like the whole time in their head

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they were like yeah we know exactly what

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you're talking about that was a

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different department so i'm going to

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tell you no because it's not my

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department yeah no we had no

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we didn't even

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like hey

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that's what they should have done like

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hey

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dude

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okay

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i was like i was nervous like for them

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like my stomach started to hurt

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yeah like when he kept trying to show

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the video

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and the guy that was like pausing the

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video kept missing the ufo

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and he was like well and they were like

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is this the best you got and he was like

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i mean yeah but wait wait until you see

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it hold on wait till you see it and then

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like they just rambled for a little bit

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he was like oh did you see it they were

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like no we didn't see it what made me

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feel better about my

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like just the live like on and on

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switching and playing like internet

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issues like dude i totally get where the

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frustration is like like i was watching

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yesterday's uh

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episode i guess right i mean it's pretty

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much an episode but they were showing a

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video it was like a five minute silence

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and all you could hear like the audio

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had just broken for everyone so it was

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just like one dude with a button and he

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just kept

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he was like he was like sorry i usually

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do this on a high-powered cia quantum

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computer and uh i wasn't ready for the

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for the courtroom laptop he was like do

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i did kind of i felt bad for him for for

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some of the the technical issues but he

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was like you're making me look dumb in

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front of my friends

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not in front of me friends mom stop it

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he was like i'm trying

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and i mean dude the pressure's on it's

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not like you're giving a presentation in

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front of your your your

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i don't know college classroom

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like it's like the world like this is

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the most interesting topic in the world

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i think i think it was just like it was

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just weird right because it's like okay

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guys this is the first time you're gonna

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talk to the public in 50 years about

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this this subject

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no pressure they had like this crazy

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like we want this entire thing to be

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about transparency and then they're like

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all right the session's over we'll

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continue the session off air

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they like kept talking about the cool

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hear

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was the cool [\h__\h] all they all they did

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remember earlier when we told you we

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were seeing something

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we're totally seeing stuff

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we'll be back after these messages and

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then that's what the whole thing was it

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was like almost two hours of yeah

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you know i i it's so hard to do

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everything perfect especially especially

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especially when you're like in a uh um

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a role of authority

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everything's under a microscope you

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can't do everything perfect but i think

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i think overall like the the

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representation i mean like the judges

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have a heart a hard uh job there because

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like everybody's watching their facial

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expression like waiting like oh

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oh did his eyebrows raise oh oh or

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do you think sometimes it's hard because

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like sometimes they're like i don't know

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they won't tell me

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they have to like come up with some

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excuses like well

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there's just you know the air but it

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belongs to us so

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dude that's that's one of the the parts

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that really got me man is like some of

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the reasons why

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they haven't come out and and given some

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of this information and and that you

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know the people representing us the

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people that are they're like well why

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haven't you said anything and everybody

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whatever agency they're like well we

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can't tell you because the way that we

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found out or like the way that we saw it

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for whatever sensor if anybody found out

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that we're using windows 98 you know

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we'll get hacked so like i

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hard place man i know yeah it's like you

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it's national security that's the end of

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it you know marshall sher carter

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security and the most interesting topic

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in the world

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uh we have a guest tonight his name is

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eric schnimmer

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uh i'm stoked dude to talk to somebody

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that has

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that is in a field a respectable field

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dealing with um with experiencers uh

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yeah and so i'm excited man let's

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welcome on the guest

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eric

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good evening gentlemen nice suit jackets

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thank you thank you

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we saw that you were coming in hot so

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ben and i were like hey

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i own one of these that i got for

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halloween four years ago and then a pair

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of khakis that my mom bought for me when

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somebody died

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like no years ago what happened is

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eric messaged us in the private chat

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and it says great to see you two got

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i'm sitting here like

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well you notice i didn't say nice suits

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i just said nice new jackets yeah

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missing some components yeah that's all

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we got i don't even know if i could fit

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in those khakis anymore

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no i still have them to be honest with

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you never worn them

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either way it's great to be here thanks

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for having me hey yeah man i'm excited

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to to kind of get into this and kind of

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see how you got into this and like you

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know it's it's always it's always random

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usually when people kind of end up into

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this kind of stuff you know he's like

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who would have thought but then you know

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like once you get into it and you start

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you start actually thinking about it you

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know you get a you start to gain a whole

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new perspective on the on the whole

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topic and it's it's it's pretty

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interesting so so how about you man how

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did you kind of fall into this is this

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something you've always been into or is

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it kind of just

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you know plopped in your lap

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no my history with this field doesn't

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really go back far uh i really started

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uh when i was in college i actually met

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stan friedman because he came to my

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college and spoke and i was kind of into

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uaps back then of course everybody was

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in 2000 and uh maybe 1999 and there was

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a local paper where you'd find out where

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the concerts were and stuff like that

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and it said stan friedman's coming to

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town and i had heard of him i actually

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knew who he was and i went and saw him

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getting my master my bachelor's degree

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in upstate new york saw him speak and

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totally cool you know i like stanton

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friedman because he had he looked like a

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mad scientist

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you know yeah like he's

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just glare in his eyes his hair was

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always kind of messy and his suit cost

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like you know nineteen dollars

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totally cool dude what's that uh sharp

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you know oh yeah very very sharp uh and

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i met him afterwards and just came up to

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him and that's what i do if a speaker is

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really good i'll just come up shake

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their hand say hey thanks for a great

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evening

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and i saw are you a student here and

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just really approachable

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mellow dude you know for a guy who goes

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around speaking and he's a nuclear

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physicist

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surprisingly just mellow normal guy

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and then that was it and nothing

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happened after that i didn't read any

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books and wasn't an interest of mine i

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had other interests at the time uh but

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uh june i think it was june

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2020 or june 2019

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bob lazar appeared on

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joe rogan's podcast and i occasionally

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tune in to joe rogan i had never heard

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of bob lazar

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and he was there with jeremy corbell

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and you know anybody who's seen the

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lazar interview you're just like

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all right there's one or two things

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going on this guy this is totally made

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up

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or if this is true this

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is blowing my mind

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and i watched it twice in a row

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and everybody has their own opinion i

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believe bob lazar i think his story is

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totally legit

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after that i learned about the nimitz

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encounter with david fravor

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and fravor you must believe you know

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super high caliber guy has no reason to

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make it up waited until he was retired

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to talk about it

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and as they say the rest is history

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since then i've been devouring

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journal articles layperson articles

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anything i could find on twitter a bunch

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of books watching podcasts appearing on

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podcasts i'm totally immersed and could

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not be happier

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that's awesome dude yeah so we actually

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we actually got a guy in the chat right

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now mr jim goodall who's who's

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like

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really good friends with bob lazar he's

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like yeah yeah

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i believe him

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yeah what a what a fascinating story and

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you know i i couldn't really think of a

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reason

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why he would make it up you know from a

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therapist perspective you would probably

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make it up if you had some kind of

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personality disorder like histrionics

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where you just need a lot of attention

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or narcissism where i need to always be

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better than everybody else so i'll just

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tell the best story in the universe that

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nobody will believe

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and

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you know the other reason would be

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financial motivation but i'm under the

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impression he hasn't made a lot of money

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so it seems like pretty innocent reasons

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to share this story so

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i'm on board with lazar could be proven

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false but for right now i think it's

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true

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wow

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yeah all in all it's a it's a

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i mean let's be honest it's just like a

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really cool story and it is one of those

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like stories that definitely will hook

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you you're like wait a second what you

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know

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so what i did

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what i'm so interested dude is your your

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perspective eric uh being a licensed

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therapist i mean you've you you're

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probably pretty caught up on psychology

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and like knowing

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the ways of the mind you hit on a few

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things with like the difference between

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a narcissist and you said some other

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term that i'm not familiar with yeah

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it's a rare word histrionics it has

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nothing to do with history it's just

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flamboyant behavior it's the loud person

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in the restaurant it's the one who's

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always saying woe is me

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anything for attention and they're

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always blowing things out of proportion

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histrionics

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damn

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i'm like self-diagnosing right now i'm

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like i know well check check

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i remember that one time

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yeah

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i'm so excited to just learn more about

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that i'm i've always been very

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interested in psychology and just like

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what makes us tick and everybody's a

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little different and we're kind of all

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categorized into

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different types of thinking and acting

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and interacting with our our reality and

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because i'm so focused and and what me

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what joe and i do is uh interview people

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that have had experiences it often has

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it does have a lot to do with the mind

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so i'm very interested in your thoughts

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on uh on how the phenomenon and

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experiencers how does like i'm just

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putting a puzzle piece together

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what is uh what's the kind of the first

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puzzle piece that you have put together

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between the link between uh experiencers

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yeah and it is

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like you said it's extremely

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complex and it's very challenging for a

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therapist so i currently work with

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two experiencers which is pretty good i

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have a caseload typically of about 40 or

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45 clients

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and they found me on twitter which was

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the whole point of me creating my uap

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therapist persona a few months ago

388
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so

389
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it's a it's a i'll give you an example

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about how this is

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very difficult for a therapist

392
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to sort through okay so i'll i'll give

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you a real life example of a former

394
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client okay

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this client was very superstitious

396
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and he had what we call magical thinking

397
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so magical thinking

398
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and we have another term similar is

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fortune telling where events will happen

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and to me and you it's it's just a

401
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benign event it doesn't really mean

402
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anything it could be random chance it

403
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could be nothing special at all like

404
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maybe two white cars are driving down

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the highway side by side

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but some people will think this has some

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kind of

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special meaning which leads to other

409
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events which have additional meeting so

410
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in this case a client came to my office

411
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and they were

412
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i can tell exactly the client's mood

413
00:15:45,670 --> 00:15:44,079
when i see him in the waiting room you

414
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could just tell by the facial expression

415
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in their body language and he seemed

416
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kind of

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shaken i said hey what's going on

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and

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as he walked to the office you know as

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you come up to an intersection there's a

421
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little walk dude he says oh go go ahead

422
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and walk and you probably won't get it

423
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run over

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he got four of those in a row

425
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okay so he walked up and it was just

426
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time to cross to me and you it's like

427
00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:10,880
well i don't know i mean

428
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it probably doesn't happen very often

429
00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:15,199
but it's totally

430
00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:17,360
possible okay but that

431
00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:18,720
he thought had some kind of special

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meaning for him specifically

433
00:16:27,189 --> 00:16:24,800
which led him to pass certain people on

434
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the sidewalk down the road

435
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that he would have missed

436
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if he had one of the signs telling him

437
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to stop so you can see that one event

438
00:16:37,910 --> 00:16:35,519
leads to another event and now meeting

439
00:16:40,150 --> 00:16:37,920
these people has meaning and this that

440
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that that that and maybe if he didn't

441
00:16:44,629 --> 00:16:42,320
interact with the people

442
00:16:46,230 --> 00:16:44,639
um he would order dinner that night and

443
00:16:48,550 --> 00:16:46,240
it would be burned

444
00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:48,560
because he didn't interact with them as

445
00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:49,600
he should

446
00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:51,440
is that an example or is that something

447
00:16:55,749 --> 00:16:53,360
very specific that he actually brought

448
00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:55,759
up like yeah that that that's absolutely

449
00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:57,839
true yeah so that actually happened

450
00:17:01,990 --> 00:17:00,079
right yeah so it's about almost like

451
00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:02,000
predicting future events and then you

452
00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:04,640
have this magical thinking

453
00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:05,520
so

454
00:17:14,470 --> 00:17:06,559
that

455
00:17:15,590 --> 00:17:14,480
it just wasn't a random event the people

456
00:17:17,350 --> 00:17:15,600
we met

457
00:17:19,110 --> 00:17:17,360
didn't know him they wanted nothing to

458
00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:19,120
do with him and sometimes dinner gets

459
00:17:22,470 --> 00:17:20,400
get burned

460
00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:22,480
that's it right it has no meaning right

461
00:17:28,069 --> 00:17:24,880
but working with somebody with

462
00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:28,079
a uap experience they'll tell me about

463
00:17:32,230 --> 00:17:30,240
the experience i have no reason not to

464
00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:32,240
believe them right so it would be

465
00:17:35,669 --> 00:17:33,919
important for a therapist to be very

466
00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:35,679
suspicious and then you have to prove to

467
00:17:40,549 --> 00:17:38,000
me it happened right which by the way a

468
00:17:42,789 --> 00:17:40,559
lot most therapists will do because they

469
00:17:45,270 --> 00:17:42,799
don't know anything about uaps right

470
00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:45,280
right so if somebody has an interaction

471
00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:47,120
with the uap

472
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and then

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they maybe have an intense dream

474
00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:54,400
about apocalyptic earth

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00:17:59,110 --> 00:17:56,240
and nuclear war

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00:18:02,150 --> 00:17:59,120
and then they wake up with this strong

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feeling they know something is in their

478
00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:03,679
bedroom

479
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i don't have the luxury of just

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00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:07,760
dismissing it

481
00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:09,120
because

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00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:12,000
the field of uaps is so

483
00:18:16,230 --> 00:18:14,480
weird right

484
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:16,240
seeing a uap

485
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could lead to an apocalyptic vision

486
00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:21,440
which could lead to thinking that

487
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:22,880
somebody's in

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00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:25,280
your home like some kind of being or

489
00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:26,720
some kind of force so it's very

490
00:18:31,830 --> 00:18:28,559
difficult for me

491
00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:31,840
to sort out coincidences

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00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:33,440
from

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um

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from future events stemming

495
00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:40,160
from a uap experience and i hope i

496
00:18:45,669 --> 00:18:42,559
explain that well it's just there's so

497
00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:45,679
many additional facets to uaps you know

498
00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:47,039
if somebody says and this has been

499
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:49,760
reported well i saw uap and then in my

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00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:52,640
bedroom i saw a dark shadow that walked

501
00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:54,320
through the wall right i've heard

502
00:18:58,789 --> 00:18:56,880
stories like that right

503
00:19:03,990 --> 00:18:58,799
i don't know

504
00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:04,000
if it happened so it's very difficult

505
00:19:08,830 --> 00:19:06,320
for me in this position to sort out

506
00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:08,840
imagination from reality

507
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:11,120
yeah that's going to be a tough thing

508
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:13,120
because well you kind of have to take

509
00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:14,960
yourself out of that as a professional

510
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:16,799
like hey so tell me like instead of

511
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:18,320
saying hey prove it to me like you said

512
00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:19,919
earlier you can't just say hey prove it

513
00:19:23,830 --> 00:19:21,360
to me

514
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:23,840
uh how do you approach uh approach that

515
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:25,840
and dig deeper and and get to those

516
00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:28,160
those those deeper uh details that are

517
00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:29,120
they're like

518
00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:32,000
uh i guess i guess the question is like

519
00:19:35,430 --> 00:19:33,919
are you coming at it from a place of

520
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:35,440
understanding because you're curious

521
00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:36,960
yourself or like

522
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:39,200
you're you're almost like

523
00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:41,919
hey i think there's a reason why you're

524
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:43,360
uh experiencing the things that you're

525
00:19:46,230 --> 00:19:44,400
experiencing in the way that you're

526
00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:46,240
experiencing because of of something

527
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:47,760
that's in a book and i know exactly how

528
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:49,840
to diagnose you or or is it something

529
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:52,880
that we just don't know about yet

530
00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:54,799
right so there's approach that i can use

531
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:57,440
and and i'm simply looking for evidence

532
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:58,960
you know it's kind of like being in

533
00:20:02,549 --> 00:20:01,200
court right so if somebody goes to court

534
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:02,559
and they say hey i think this guy's

535
00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:03,919
following me

536
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,240
the judge doesn't say oh okay and write

537
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:08,480
a temporary restraining order he says

538
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:10,480
well why do you think you need to give

539
00:20:14,149 --> 00:20:12,559
me some evidence yeah and so the

540
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:14,159
treatment model we use looking for

541
00:20:19,830 --> 00:20:17,280
evidence is cognitive behavioral therapy

542
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:19,840
so if somebody says something to me

543
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:21,440
that they think

544
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:23,520
or they believe

545
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:25,120
basically i'm going to say it's kind of

546
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:27,440
like a courtroom but much gentler they

547
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:29,520
say you got to give me some evidence

548
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:31,679
and so cognitive behavioral therapy is

549
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:34,400
facts evidence reasoning

550
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:35,520
logic

551
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:36,720
intellect

552
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:39,840
we take out all the feeling i believe no

553
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,840
no we're going to put that over there i

554
00:20:45,909 --> 00:20:43,679
think i feel

555
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:45,919
let's put those by the side and we just

556
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:49,360
need facts evidence reasoning logic and

557
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:51,360
intellect okay

558
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:54,240
so i may pick up on something

559
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:56,080
that the client

560
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:57,280
thinks

561
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:01,039
is connected to an event or believes

562
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:03,840
maybe almost in a superstitious way

563
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:06,640
of why things happen

564
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:08,559
and to a trained therapist working with

565
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:10,880
so many people via cognitive behavioral

566
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:13,520
therapy you can do a pretty good job of

567
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:15,520
sorting the wheat from the chaff right

568
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:19,440
the beliefs from the facts but again

569
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:21,679
this uap stuff i mean the the more i

570
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:23,760
study it probably like you guys

571
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:25,919
the more confused i get

572
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:28,480
the less i knew

573
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:31,360
it's almost like the more i knew 100

574
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:33,919
yeah it's ridiculous because

575
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:35,919
you know at first i was thinking uh all

576
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:37,840
right uaps are from another planet far

577
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:39,280
far away all right that's totally

578
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:41,440
believable but then we have this theory

579
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,960
no no no there are humans from the

580
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,640
future which is the theory i'm going

581
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,400
with and i'm like all right that's

582
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:48,240
really weird but you still got me on

583
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:50,000
board with this and now people are

584
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:51,039
saying oh yeah it's probably from

585
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:52,559
another dimension and i'm just like

586
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:54,640
where does this end it's getting really

587
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:55,760
wacky

588
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:57,520
yeah and you know it's weird because

589
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:58,880
like i feel like a lot of people get

590
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:01,120
hung up you know even i get hung up on

591
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,400
that like uh like was it uh i think john

592
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:06,320
mack had said you know when he was being

593
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:08,559
interviewed about you know the sessions

594
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:09,760
and stuff that he's done with

595
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:13,600
experiencers and he's like look

596
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,679
i don't know if it's happening but i

597
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:17,760
believe that what they're

598
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,520
experiencing is 100 percent real and

599
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:23,039
like he was just like kind of stuck he's

600
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:24,799
like i can't [\h__\h] prove it it's just

601
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,200
like but like i believe that they

602
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,280
believe whatever is happening to them is

603
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:31,360
happening to them and what do you do

604
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:33,520
with something that only wants to

605
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:36,159
interact when it feels like interacting

606
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:38,480
you know it's like it's like a really

607
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:39,679
tough

608
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:42,080
thing to have to like deal with and

609
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:43,840
it seems like well yeah that's

610
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:46,400
convenient right but at the same time

611
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:47,600
like

612
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:49,039
people have been experiencing this for a

613
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:50,960
long time like how many people does it

614
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,880
have to happen to like how many of like

615
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:54,480
the reports do you have to get before

616
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:56,000
like you know there's just too many

617
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,480
people for it to be crazy you know

618
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:00,080
yeah and

619
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:02,799
thankfully and it makes my job a lot

620
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:04,000
easier

621
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:07,679
the experiences that i work with

622
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:10,320
the the theme i get or they'll say it

623
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:12,400
you know literally they'll say it

624
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:13,919
is

625
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:15,679
i can't believe i finally get to tell

626
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:17,120
somebody

627
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:19,919
that that's what they want is

628
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:22,240
validation right and a good therapist

629
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:23,840
just goes uh-huh

630
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:27,280
uh-huh and then what okay and then wait

631
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:28,480
wait you kind of lost me in the story

632
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:30,400
then could you repeat that okay and

633
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,039
we're kind of going along right because

634
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:35,520
what they've done is they've probably

635
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:36,880
confided

636
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:39,679
in friends or family okay and they're

637
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,039
and they're gonna get

638
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:44,159
probably two outcomes one is

639
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:46,000
they think they're crazy right that

640
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:48,320
never happened and they'll come up with

641
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:50,559
these pretty lame theories about what

642
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:53,120
actually happened okay so they feel

643
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:56,000
dismissed which is really it really

644
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,279
burns them

645
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:58,960
because maybe they've took

646
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,520
like a year to build up the courage and

647
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:03,360
the bravery to be like that's it you

648
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,200
know i'm going to tell somebody and they

649
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,240
get shot down okay yeah if they are

650
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:10,559
believed and i see this with

651
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:14,480
all my clients not related to uap stuff

652
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:15,279
is

653
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,640
family members and friends mean well

654
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:20,720
and they also say dumb things

655
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:23,279
right so you may say

656
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:25,360
um

657
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:26,480
you know

658
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:28,159
uh

659
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,440
my girlfriend broke up with me and

660
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:33,679
i'm heartbroken and what do they say

661
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:36,480
you'll find somebody else

662
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:39,120
or maybe they say that six months after

663
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,200
the breakup and the friend or family

664
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,960
member will say you can't dwell on it

665
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:44,640
and by the way the proper response to

666
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:47,200
that is says who

667
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:50,480
because people are very uncomfortable

668
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:53,919
around misery especially other people's

669
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:56,320
misery right yeah i like when you're

670
00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:59,440
happy don't cry you need to move on

671
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:02,159
right so even if somebody is

672
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,320
believed for their uap experience

673
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:08,880
people mean well but it often comes

674
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:10,880
across as dismissive

675
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:12,320
right i've got a ques i've got a

676
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,240
question man because this would help me

677
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:16,799
a lot i mean i think both joey and i

678
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:18,799
because we've talked to hundreds of of

679
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:20,799
people that are like

680
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:22,240
you know sometimes it's it's we're the

681
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:23,520
only people they've ever told and it's

682
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:26,960
like live on our show it's very like i i

683
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:29,120
i just applaud the bravery of

684
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:31,120
a lot of our uh i guess

685
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,960
yeah so like what's the proper way i

686
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:34,559
mean i feel like we do a pretty good job

687
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,600
of bringing in humor and stuff but like

688
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:39,360
what's a good tactic on on instead of

689
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,720
saying hey well you know there's more

690
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:42,960
fish in the sea or the examples you're

691
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:44,720
you're kind of explaining

692
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,159
um

693
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:48,240
in in that case what would be a good uh

694
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,480
a good thing to say uh for also for

695
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,240
those listening like family members and

696
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:54,320
friends if if if you're trying to reach

697
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:56,880
out to somebody or you're listening to

698
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,640
your own family member like what would

699
00:26:01,510 --> 00:26:00,320
you say if somebody just came up to you

700
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:01,520
and said

701
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:02,400
hey

702
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:04,960
this happened to me

703
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,520
right well to begin with if somebody

704
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:09,120
wants your advice

705
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,440
the sentence will begin with i would

706
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,000
like your advice

707
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:16,559
if they don't say that they are not

708
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:18,159
looking for advice

709
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,799
they're not looking for solutions and

710
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:22,480
people are naturally

711
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,679
fixers

712
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,840
right yeah oh my god i was a

713
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,600
whistleblower i can't believe i got

714
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:29,120
fired from my job

715
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:31,840
oh there's a job fair coming up

716
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:34,480
they know a job fair is coming up right

717
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:35,919
they're not looking for advice they're

718
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:36,960
not looking

719
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:40,880
for solutions and you guys do a fine job

720
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:43,919
right and it's just all they want is

721
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:46,799
somebody to listen it's kind of like

722
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,880
you know if you have a have a spouse

723
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,640
boyfriend girlfriend whatever and they

724
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:52,559
have a really bad day

725
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:55,360
uh at work and they come home and

726
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,919
they're doing oh my god i can't stand

727
00:27:02,070 --> 00:26:59,760
working with these people then and then

728
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:02,080
you know i end up doing their work for

729
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:04,000
them and

730
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:08,080
lacie's lacey said what now hmm yeah

731
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:10,000
oh she did okay

732
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:10,880
yeah

733
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,760
and so the person they're confiding in

734
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,880
will say

735
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:16,880
well you know there are other jobs

736
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,399
and the person complaining sometimes

737
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:20,799
will just say i just want a [\h__\h] can

738
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:23,360
you shut up i just want to complain

739
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,600
that's all i want to do so it's kind of

740
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:27,760
like if somebody's going to talk about

741
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:30,240
an odd experience they have maybe around

742
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:31,679
uaps

743
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:33,200
they want to tell somebody they're not

744
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,720
looking for advice they're not looking

745
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,159
for solutions they're not looking for

746
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,240
you to interrupt you know what if you

747
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:39,919
don't know what to say

748
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,559
it's totally fine to say

749
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:44,159
you know i haven't been there myself but

750
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:46,720
it sounds rough

751
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:49,520
done that's all they want is some kind

752
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,320
of validation i can't believe i got fire

753
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:54,399
from my job yeah i know you liked it i

754
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:56,080
know you loved it over there dude that

755
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,600
sucks

756
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:59,200
yeah that's all they want it's it's

757
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,640
actually pretty simple as long as you're

758
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,640
not giving advice and trying to fix

759
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:04,080
their problem

760
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:05,360
yeah

761
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,360
do is just like

762
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,440
you're like

763
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:15,279
thanks

764
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:19,039
do that

765
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,159
yeah

766
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:22,559
and this is the thing when people offer

767
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:24,159
solutions

768
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:26,480
or advice

769
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,399
they've already thought of that

770
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,000
right they've already thought about

771
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,840
getting another job they've already

772
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:33,120
thought about

773
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,200
you know creating an online dating

774
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:37,520
profile to find another girlfriend

775
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:39,520
they've already thought about that i

776
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:42,480
mean specific to uap stuff

777
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:45,039
these people they feel for very good

778
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,000
reason

779
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:48,320
they cannot talk to

780
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:49,440
anyone

781
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:54,000
and um there's no doubt in my mind that

782
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,039
a lot of experiencers have lost

783
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,120
close relationships whether it's

784
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,440
familiar or just friends

785
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,840
i know people who have kind of reached

786
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:05,520
out to me through twitter not as a

787
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,640
client

788
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,559
but they just wanted to tell me what

789
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,640
happened i get these random messages

790
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,480
from people and you say hey i don't need

791
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,799
you as a therapist but

792
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,799
can i tell you what happened i was like

793
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:18,960
yeah man that's that's fine just tell me

794
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,440
what's up right because again they have

795
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,279
nobody to talk to i've also received

796
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,440
notes from people they have anonymous

797
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,520
twitter accounts because they don't want

798
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,520
their employer to find out

799
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:31,679
people can actually become quite vicious

800
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:34,720
against uap experiencers

801
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:37,360
they definitely can have you

802
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:40,799
have you found yourself like you know

803
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:43,440
taking on some of these clients you know

804
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:44,320
did

805
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:45,840
what is

806
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:51,679
is it what you exp is it is it what you

807
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:55,120
might have expected it to be going in or

808
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:56,720
did it kind of take you out in left

809
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:58,640
field like holy crap

810
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,399
i gotta really crack some books with

811
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,320
this like there's just so much to it now

812
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:04,799
that it's almost like kind of very time

813
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:07,120
consuming that the amount of stuff that

814
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,159
you're having to like get into now yeah

815
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:12,480
yeah it's easier than i thought because

816
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:15,200
what i thought they would be looking for

817
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,720
are answers

818
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:18,320
well if you're looking for answers about

819
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:20,720
uaps you're asking the wrong guy like i

820
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:24,960
don't who the hell knows what i love

821
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:27,200
you know where they're from

822
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,720
etc

823
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:30,960
again they just

824
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:33,600
want to talk to somebody

825
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:36,320
and they appreciate so much if they get

826
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:37,919
to the end of a story and they look kind

827
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:40,640
of downtrodden because they were

828
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:42,799
shaken by the experience

829
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:45,039
you know just a simple

830
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:47,440
yeah that that sounds tough

831
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:49,039
yeah that sounds tough and it also

832
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:51,039
sounds like you've been kind of just

833
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:52,559
doing this on your own

834
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:53,760
and they're like

835
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:54,799
oh

836
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,039
finally somebody gets it yeah yes dude

837
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,679
this is so helpful i mean like some of

838
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:03,200
the things you're saying like because i

839
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,720
consider myself somewhat of an

840
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,799
experience i i don't believe that i've

841
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,320
been abducted but like

842
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,480
i always try to approach anybody that

843
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,159
shares a story with us either on the

844
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,320
show or in person with like

845
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:16,480
tell me more like that's like with

846
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:19,039
empathy and curiosity just that's just

847
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:20,720
because it's natural like that i'm

848
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,559
honestly empathetic and curious but for

849
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:26,640
those that aren't like maybe you have a

850
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,960
family family member that

851
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:30,640
that always give you [\h__\h] growing up

852
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:32,799
maybe it's an older brother or sister

853
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:35,120
uh like i can't imagine how awkward that

854
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:36,799
would be like if you're just you know

855
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:38,960
over for dinner one night and that's the

856
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:40,960
night that you chose and it's like

857
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:44,159
hey i have to it has to be so

858
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:44,960
uh

859
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,240
i don't know anxiety driven and um i

860
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,399
don't know i guess

861
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:52,080
what i'm saying is like

862
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:53,760
it's it's it's good to know what to

863
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:54,960
expect

864
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:57,360
that that person is going to say

865
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:59,760
uh negatively versus versus positively

866
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:00,720
and maybe

867
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:03,200
while you're having that conversation uh

868
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,799
you could you could say hey instead of

869
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:06,320
instead of you know making fun of me

870
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:08,000
maybe you could ask me

871
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:10,000
uh something like this or just say like

872
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:10,880
hey

873
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:14,080
that you've had a rough time

874
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:16,000
that that makes sense that that i

875
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:17,200
haven't been where you are like you're

876
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:19,919
saying so i i think that's super helpful

877
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:22,399
uh yes starting that conversation yeah

878
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,559
really simple stuff like oh this sounds

879
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,720
like it's really been bothering you

880
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:28,799
you know yeah and i say to clients often

881
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,720
i go that that sounds like a lot to

882
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:32,159
carry around

883
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,919
it's it's very simple they're just

884
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:36,080
looking for validation it's interesting

885
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:38,080
so i i've never

886
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:39,039
seen

887
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:43,519
like that which has an advantage and a

888
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:45,919
disadvantage as a therapist but when i

889
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,320
got into this field i had to have

890
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,159
what i thought was going to be

891
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,480
an extremely awkward conversation with

892
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:54,840
my employer so i work at a private

893
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,440
practice and

894
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:59,279
my boss kate

895
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:01,120
owns the practice

896
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:02,399
and

897
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,240
right before i created my twitter

898
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,480
account uap therapist

899
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:08,080
i said you know

900
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,399
people are going to eventually find out

901
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:12,080
where i work

902
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:14,559
and what if she gets these calls like do

903
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:16,880
you know your therapist is a weirdo like

904
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,600
he's talking about like future humans

905
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:21,600
and other dimensions and i think he

906
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:23,039
sounds like a terrible therapist so i

907
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,279
actually sat down with her and i said

908
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:27,120
kate um

909
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:28,480
i have to tell you about my research

910
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,919
interests and i want to incorporate it

911
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,919
into therapy and she's like

912
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,600
okay

913
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:35,519
and thank god

914
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,159
the the conversation went totally

915
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,799
totally awesome so for example i told

916
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:42,720
her i was going to be on your guys

917
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:45,360
podcast and so they ran out and bought

918
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,000
me this light and this webcam and this

919
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:50,720
microphone and dude that is so awesome

920
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:52,960
yeah oh my god and i would send them

921
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:55,360
articles and they read them and they're

922
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:58,559
like dude this is really serious stuff

923
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:01,679
and i was like yeah no kidding it is and

924
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:03,919
you know my colleagues one by one are

925
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:05,679
finding out

926
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:07,760
but i have to

927
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:10,879
it's the the conversation again

928
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:13,119
i'm not even an experiencer

929
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:16,000
if i bring it up with my friends or

930
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:17,440
colleagues

931
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:20,240
at the very beginning there's this

932
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:23,760
awkwardness because they're uneducated

933
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:25,919
so when i say uap they don't even know

934
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:28,879
what that means if i say the nimitz

935
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:31,679
never heard of it what is that yeah um

936
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:33,440
bob lazar never heard of them they

937
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,320
really know nothing all they know

938
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:38,320
is the ufo

939
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:39,919
x-files

940
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,800
little green men schtick

941
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:45,359
which is the most obnoxious thing

942
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:48,560
in the world not the uneducated people

943
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:51,359
but this like awkward laughter and it's

944
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,240
just it's so dumb and so you have

945
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:56,639
uneducated people they simply

946
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,960
have no clue what the evidence is and

947
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,800
then i'll send them you know the youtube

948
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:02,400
link to the congressional briefing the

949
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,960
other day and they're like

950
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,720
dude this is like

951
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:08,880
really serious and i'm like

952
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:11,119
yeah and then they quickly get on board

953
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:13,359
but now i have no i come in and they're

954
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:14,079
like

955
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,520
nah it's pretty quiet out there they're

956
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,280
like ah

957
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:21,520
i think that is one of the most

958
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:24,320
the one of the most fun moments for me

959
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:26,480
you know is like that realization on

960
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:28,880
somebody who like just

961
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,119
has just like kind of you know

962
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:33,119
not been interested in the topic at all

963
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:35,119
right it's just you know it's it's it's

964
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:37,280
fiction it's science fiction it's just

965
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,240
fun

966
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:40,240
and then like you know

967
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,599
it is such a delicate uh conversation in

968
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:45,599
the beginning and then you and then you

969
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:47,119
hit them with the documents and they're

970
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,119
like what the hell

971
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:51,359
yeah really you're like how did i not

972
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:52,480
know this

973
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:55,119
yeah and all the other crazy stuff that

974
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,720
i was saying uh prior to uh all the

975
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:00,720
stuff i'm showing you right now like it

976
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:03,119
probably happened too you know like it's

977
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,920
just crazy uh it's it's a crazy time

978
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:07,440
that we live in man

979
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:08,720
um through

980
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,720
through through doing this you know ben

981
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:12,640
and i like i said you know we've talked

982
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:15,200
to a lot of people uh doing this whole

983
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,800
thing and like

984
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:18,560
every like

985
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:21,280
there are a lot of similarities in a lot

986
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:22,880
of these cases

987
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:25,520
and then there's always like that one

988
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:28,560
thing about like everybody's

989
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:30,880
everybody's interaction that like

990
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:33,839
completely throws me for a loop right

991
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,680
and it's like

992
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:37,920
the fascinating part to me is like okay

993
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:39,440
they're having all these similarities

994
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:40,880
and then boom

995
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,760
um

996
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:42,960
the being

997
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:46,880
um turns into a burrito and rolls on his

998
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:49,359
floor and like that's a that's a real

999
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:50,400
story

1000
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:52,240
and we're like okay

1001
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:55,280
okay so if we're done with the idea that

1002
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,119
this guy's been visited right

1003
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,200
we're gonna go with the idea that that

1004
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:03,520
is like a like a supreme or not even

1005
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:06,240
supreme like burrito supreme we'll just

1006
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,280
call it like

1007
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:09,359
chick another extremely intelligent

1008
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,400
being

1009
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,240
turned into a burrito

1010
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:14,160
and rolled on his floor and then

1011
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,240
disappeared like you have to go with

1012
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:18,720
that you know it's such a conflicting

1013
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:20,880
thing in your mind sometimes to like be

1014
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:22,720
like okay i was on board

1015
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,880
but that burrito [\h__\h]

1016
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:26,480
i don't know

1017
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:28,880
honestly that was that was so far left

1018
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:31,040
field that it made me be like and maybe

1019
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:32,079
think of

1020
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,880
how

1021
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:34,720
a being would would it would achieve

1022
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:35,680
that

1023
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:38,560
yeah yeah the reasons why

1024
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,119
but i guess from kind of like a a

1025
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,680
therapeutic standpoint like you know you

1026
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:45,119
hear these stories and then all of a

1027
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:46,400
sudden there's like that thing and

1028
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,520
you're like

1029
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:49,440
wow like

1030
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,520
how do you how do you uh how do you

1031
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:53,440
approach that in your in your mind you

1032
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:54,160
know

1033
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:55,359
yeah

1034
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:56,960
well thank god i haven't had a client

1035
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:58,720
say that because i really i i mean

1036
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:00,560
that's like i really wouldn't know what

1037
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:04,560
to say the weirdest uh thing i've heard

1038
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,880
uh i actually didn't watch the interview

1039
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:08,800
with him i'm just doing too many of

1040
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:11,040
things but it was a young airman

1041
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:12,640
who worked at some kind of nuclear

1042
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:15,119
facility and he said that these shadow

1043
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:18,800
beings would walk into the facility

1044
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:20,000
through

1045
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:21,040
walls

1046
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:23,200
and i i didn't watch the interview so i

1047
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:24,880
don't know much about it

1048
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,760
so that's the thing we're hearing

1049
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:30,000
like

1050
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,280
i i re there are some i i don't know if

1051
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:35,760
i believe them right now i'm reading the

1052
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:37,599
book um

1053
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,839
the day after roswell which was written

1054
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,240
by a retired army colonel who said that

1055
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:44,320
he was involved deeply in the case in

1056
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:47,440
the 1960s after the fact that it crashed

1057
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:50,000
and he's saying stuff that

1058
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:50,880
i

1059
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,680
secret

1060
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,200
base on the moon

1061
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,359
i i and again i'm just

1062
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:01,440
all on beyond right now is one person's

1063
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,680
testimony i if if you can give me

1064
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:05,760
evidence i am totally on board with that

1065
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:07,599
right now it's just one man

1066
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:10,960
saying that or we've been in contact the

1067
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:13,680
government is like close associates with

1068
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:15,760
these beings already and they have a

1069
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:17,119
relationship

1070
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:19,760
against this one person saying it if if

1071
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,760
somebody can give me evidence then i

1072
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:23,920
have no problem believing that so the

1073
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:26,000
more far out things

1074
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:28,160
i mean i'm not in a position and i don't

1075
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,359
think it's a good idea to believe

1076
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,200
everything right

1077
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:33,839
if one person says it that's fine

1078
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:37,280
if it's a therapeutic relationship i'm

1079
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:40,480
i'm thinking less about the burrito

1080
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:43,680
and more about how they feel

1081
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,000
about that event that may have happened

1082
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:47,920
right that's my role it's not enough

1083
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:49,839
it's not to decide if it's true or not

1084
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,480
in most cases it's more about

1085
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:54,960
what suffering came from that event that

1086
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,920
they say happened right but i just take

1087
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,119
off this suit

1088
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:01,520
and i'm at home just kind of hanging out

1089
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:03,760
i do hear some pretty bizarre stuff and

1090
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:05,440
unless there's evidence i just can't get

1091
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,599
on board with it i'm glad you said that

1092
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:09,119
because the next question i was going to

1093
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,880
ask like does it matter if you believe

1094
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:12,160
them or not

1095
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:15,040
not really not really um

1096
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:16,880
if they're going to say something pretty

1097
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:19,760
far out again i'll challenge them

1098
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:21,760
i'll say you know what why

1099
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:24,079
why would you feel that happened or what

1100
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,000
evidence do you have

1101
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:28,160
and they may just say dude i don't have

1102
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:29,119
any

1103
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:32,960
myself it's stupid it's ridiculous and

1104
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,000
i'm like

1105
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,560
i get it and again i'm not there to

1106
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,480
interrogate them it's just

1107
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:40,880
where are they at now and how can i help

1108
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:43,599
them whether the event happened or not i

1109
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:46,880
think it's that i think it's healthy for

1110
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:49,040
anybody you know pouring their heart out

1111
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,960
even even though i know it's vulnerable

1112
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:52,560
even though whatever you're saying is

1113
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:53,440
the most

1114
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:55,599
could sound insanely crazy yeah but i

1115
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:59,119
think it's healthy to to have a a calm

1116
00:41:02,550 --> 00:40:59,920
uh

1117
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,560
reaction when somebody challenges you so

1118
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:04,319
i'm glad that you do that and you're not

1119
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,280
just like

1120
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:07,119
uh-huh uh-huh so i'm glad that you like

1121
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:09,359
challenged that um

1122
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,079
because it it in and

1123
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:14,240
if somebody has these these uh

1124
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:15,359
these experiences that we're talking

1125
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:16,720
about that's kind of you know far out

1126
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:19,280
left field not specifically the burritos

1127
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:21,200
story but

1128
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,880
i feel like it's healthy to at least

1129
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:24,720
have the expectation that it's gonna be

1130
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,160
challenged and you have to be okay with

1131
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,079
that challenge and what's your answer

1132
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:31,920
gonna be is it gonna be like

1133
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,880
no i'm not lying no that that solves

1134
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:36,720
nothing all you like i feel like the

1135
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:39,119
better way to approach that

1136
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:39,920
is

1137
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:43,119
there's

1138
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:44,800
no reference for you

1139
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:49,280
to to compare it to reality but for my

1140
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:50,960
uh reality

1141
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,119
uh it does it does have some

1142
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:54,960
relativeness uh

1143
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:56,720
and importance but for you you have no

1144
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,800
nothing to compare it to so

1145
00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:00,720
uh yeah yeah i feel like i feel like

1146
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,319
that's good that you challenged that

1147
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:04,160
anyway that was a long

1148
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:04,960
round

1149
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:07,760
no you make an extremely good point and

1150
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:11,119
my clients who like to work hard

1151
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,560
um when i challenge them at first

1152
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:16,800
they don't like me very much because i'm

1153
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:18,319
kind of shattering their world view

1154
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:19,839
these beliefs that they've been carrying

1155
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:22,560
around for years perhaps decades

1156
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,359
but once we work through that challenge

1157
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:27,359
um they'll say you know

1158
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,880
i'm really glad you challenged me on

1159
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,480
that because i i wouldn't have gotten

1160
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,839
out of that rut

1161
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,440
when you have

1162
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:35,280
a therapist who doesn't challenge

1163
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,480
clients you're paying for a friend

1164
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:40,800
okay you should have friends for free

1165
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,480
you pay a therapist not a friend one of

1166
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:46,960
my favorite lines to ask clients where

1167
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,000
you know it's

1168
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,400
always somebody else's fault oh people

1169
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:52,560
are misunderstanding me my favorite

1170
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:54,160
sentence to start with and they find it

1171
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:56,079
mildly obnoxious because i say it a lot

1172
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,800
is

1173
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:58,880
could it be

1174
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:02,000
and i offer an alternative like could it

1175
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:03,760
be you

1176
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:07,040
are the are these scenarios and

1177
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:09,040
differences uh yeah

1178
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,400
like could they be something that you

1179
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:12,480
were creating yourself instead of right

1180
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:15,119
and it's um it's not even i'm looking

1181
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,160
for

1182
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,240
so i don't all right so if somebody

1183
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:20,000
burns through friendships right and

1184
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:21,680
they're like oh people are horrible and

1185
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,599
they don't commit and i don't like

1186
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,359
humans and they're unreal

1187
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,359
everybody's terrible actually if we get

1188
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:29,200
down to it

1189
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:30,079
and

1190
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,760
i don't word it

1191
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,359
as

1192
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:35,280
maybe you're a jerk

1193
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,560
or

1194
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,560
they think you're a jerk what do you

1195
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,480
think of that right because that's a

1196
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,400
little too aggressive because i've been

1197
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,400
thinking this way for years so i start

1198
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,319
the sentence with hey look i'm not even

1199
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,560
looking for a confirmation or yes

1200
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:51,119
could it be is there any possibility in

1201
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:52,880
the universe

1202
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:55,520
it could be you and i'm not saying it is

1203
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,720
could it be

1204
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:58,720
and that opens them up to this other

1205
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:00,880
reality wow

1206
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,680
it could be me

1207
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:05,280
so they

1208
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,800
clients who like to work hard like to be

1209
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,800
challenged

1210
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,079
beautiful

1211
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,560
yeah that's cool man love that

1212
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,160
love that

1213
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:16,800
woo dude i'm like i'm like

1214
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:18,640
working out puzzles in my head too just

1215
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:21,520
uh just thinking about uh

1216
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:23,520
the delicate uh nature joe you you were

1217
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:24,960
talking about that earlier how delicate

1218
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,760
it is when when somebody kind of

1219
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:29,680
shares their experience with you

1220
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:32,560
yeah definitely definitely you know uh

1221
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:34,880
in the in this field you do see things

1222
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:38,319
like schizophrenia or you know like

1223
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:41,599
you know narcissistic tendencies uh with

1224
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:43,280
with some people

1225
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,079
um have you have you ran in to a lot of

1226
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:48,480
that or when you do run into it do you

1227
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,000
switch from like okay this guy was

1228
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,240
totally gonna talk about aliens but he's

1229
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:54,160
schizophrenic i'm picking up on the

1230
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:55,839
signs let's switch to

1231
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,880
to uh uh working on on this you know

1232
00:45:01,990 --> 00:45:00,480
it's kind of like a mid-switch type

1233
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:02,000
thing where they think they're still

1234
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:04,319
talking about aliens but now you're in

1235
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:06,000
like okay let's see how we can help this

1236
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,599
dude because i think he's got

1237
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,520
schizophrenia you know have you ran into

1238
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:11,359
any of that types of stuff

1239
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,920
right yeah good question so before i

1240
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,520
started working at this practice in

1241
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,359
colorado i lived in upstate new york and

1242
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,119
i worked at a secure

1243
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:21,280
psychiatric facility

1244
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,079
and you basically had to be unstable too

1245
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,880
unstable to go to jail okay and that's

1246
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:28,319
pretty bad because we have some really

1247
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:30,000
unstable people in jail

1248
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:32,720
so there are a lot of um dissociative

1249
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,280
identity disorder which is just having

1250
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,280
multiple personalities

1251
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:39,599
and schizophrenia those are two really

1252
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:43,119
serious somewhat rare mental illnesses

1253
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:46,160
and those folks um

1254
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:49,040
you set the bar pretty low okay so for

1255
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,079
example

1256
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:52,800
everyone in that facility

1257
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:55,280
you could not do talk therapy with

1258
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,520
you can't sit down for

1259
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,040
a half hour

1260
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,440
because their mind is just it's

1261
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:03,760
scattered and schizophrenia the best way

1262
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,960
to describe it it's all consuming

1263
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:08,560
relationships

1264
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:10,000
memory loss

1265
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,640
lack of sleep auditory hallucinations

1266
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,720
visual hallucinations alternate

1267
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:16,079
realities

1268
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:17,440
so

1269
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,720
for example

1270
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:20,960
you may if somebody in the community

1271
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:23,680
here has schizophrenia

1272
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,160
all i want them to do

1273
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,880
is take a shower get dressed and get a

1274
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:30,640
ride over here

1275
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:32,800
that's it so it creates some kind of

1276
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:35,119
structure and then what they can do is

1277
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:37,760
they can have that as evidence have it

1278
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,040
as data

1279
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,520
i can actually leave my home

1280
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:43,680
go talk to somebody maybe 20 minutes

1281
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,480
half hour not the full hour session

1282
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:48,240
make it back home

1283
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,760
and i'm okay

1284
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:51,520
right so we'll just take these baby

1285
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:54,160
steps a great example of a very

1286
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:55,520
interesting man i worked with

1287
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:56,400
schizophrenia

1288
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:58,000
years ago

1289
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:58,960
he

1290
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:01,119
in a 100

1291
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,760
literal sense not figurative uh he

1292
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,920
thought he was robocop

1293
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,200
for real

1294
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:09,839
and that's why he ate batteries

1295
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:12,720
because it would give him power whoa

1296
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:14,960
dude it was really far out that's

1297
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:19,599
fascinating yeah and uh also a deep

1298
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,520
odd fascination relationship with space

1299
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:25,520
so if you were going to go into the room

1300
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,960
and work with him

1301
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,480
you know you can't bring in like a

1302
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:30,640
folder with stars on it you know you

1303
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,599
can't wear a nasa hat because he thought

1304
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:36,240
you were from that universe and you were

1305
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:38,559
coming back and communicate so that's

1306
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:39,760
how bad

1307
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:41,680
that illness can be

1308
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:42,800
now

1309
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:44,880
i'm glad you brought up schizophrenia

1310
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:46,000
because

1311
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:48,880
one of the lamest explanations i've ever

1312
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:49,920
heard

1313
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:54,640
for people who claim to see uaps

1314
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:57,280
are people dismissing them and they say

1315
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:59,119
well they have schizophrenia these are

1316
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:01,520
the people who went on wikipedia typed

1317
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,680
in schizophrenia and read the first

1318
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:05,760
paragraph and the first paragraph may be

1319
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:06,880
mentioned

1320
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,280
visual hallucination

1321
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:11,280
okay these people have no idea what

1322
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:13,440
they're talking about because again it's

1323
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:15,520
all consuming so if you have

1324
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:18,400
schizophrenia and you're having visual

1325
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:20,160
hallucinations

1326
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:21,920
so you know some real basic questions

1327
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:25,040
would be why are they only seeing uaps

1328
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:26,880
why not try to cover donuts that was

1329
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:29,200
going to be my next questions you know

1330
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,040
why not text books

1331
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,359
you know why don't they see three sons

1332
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:34,960
instead of two why don't they think

1333
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:38,079
they're robocop how do they have a job

1334
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:39,920
how do they have a girlfriend how do

1335
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,760
they own their own business right so

1336
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:43,920
what they're taking is one

1337
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:45,200
specific

1338
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:47,520
symptom of a very serious mental illness

1339
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:48,400
and saying

1340
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,359
this is the only symptom they have

1341
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,760
and they're wrong okay

1342
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:55,359
and if anybody was going to say well

1343
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:57,040
eric i don't agree with that i would use

1344
00:49:02,390 --> 00:48:58,400
the class to come back well then you're

1345
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,309
grabbing these little components of

1346
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:06,559
mental illnesses to explain away people

1347
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:08,240
seeing uaps

1348
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,000
it doesn't hold any water

1349
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:12,480
see man i've i've always felt the exact

1350
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,680
same way you know like yeah yeah

1351
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:17,440
i'm not a doctor i have zero training

1352
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:19,520
but like you know i always felt like

1353
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,760
schizophrenia seems a lot more involved

1354
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:23,760
than just like seeing some stuff you

1355
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:25,839
know like we can't just keep classifying

1356
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,839
all these people who yeah who see some

1357
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,240
things you know right that's you know

1358
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,640
and you know you look at uh dr jack

1359
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:34,319
jacques valet and he talks about the

1360
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:36,880
phenomena as a whole like actually like

1361
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:39,760
appearing or interacting with you uh

1362
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:41,920
based on your own interpretations and

1363
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:44,319
things like that so like you know maybe

1364
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,880
this all is like one big phenomena being

1365
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,200
represented in like multiple different

1366
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:51,440
ways to different people and they're all

1367
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,240
talking about the same thing it's just

1368
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:56,640
different for everybody you know

1369
00:50:02,549 --> 00:49:57,440
yeah

1370
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,559
it can't easily be

1371
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,800
explained away again if somebody's going

1372
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:06,400
to go around saying

1373
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:08,559
well i saw uap

1374
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:10,079
they're going to have so many other

1375
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:11,839
symptoms that's going to become evident

1376
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,720
that they're really suffering

1377
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:16,079
yeah totally

1378
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,280
that's the best evidence or

1379
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,960
answer to it to that question i've been

1380
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,880
wondering that for a while and wanted to

1381
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:24,720
talk to a professional that

1382
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:27,040
has dealt with that because

1383
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:28,640
it always seemed to me like okay if

1384
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,040
somebody truly had schizophrenia or or

1385
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:33,280
suffered from delusions or or bipolar i

1386
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:36,240
mean i don't know if if bipolarism uh or

1387
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:37,359
i don't even know if i'm saying that

1388
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:38,559
right but

1389
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:41,359
if that includes auditory or visual

1390
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,760
hallucinations but you know everything i

1391
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:45,200
think everybody's on some sort of

1392
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:47,200
spectrum that's my personal belief i

1393
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:48,800
don't know it's a little bit you know

1394
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:50,480
every now and then but like

1395
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:53,760
i i just i i can't bring myself to

1396
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:56,079
believe that everybody that has these

1397
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:57,599
these stories and you talk to them and

1398
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:59,040
then there are regular people holding

1399
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:01,200
down regular jobs they've never talked

1400
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:02,559
about this stuff ever and then they say

1401
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:03,920
you know what i do have a story and then

1402
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,599
they tell you the most amazing story

1403
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:07,200
you've ever heard and this happened

1404
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,559
recently to me

1405
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:10,319
with somebody you really really respect

1406
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:11,760
told you know

1407
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:14,000
told me this story out of nowhere

1408
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:15,680
i can't believe that that person has

1409
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:18,800
schizophrenia that one time for for

1410
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,720
you know six hours and then that was it

1411
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:22,559
never experienced anything like that

1412
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:23,760
ever again

1413
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,559
yep i think we could rule that one out

1414
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,800
absolutely

1415
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,400
got a question in the chat right here

1416
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:32,480
says eric what do you suggest for

1417
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:36,960
missing time after a uap um and and that

1418
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:38,240
that's

1419
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:39,440
listening to you it sounds like you

1420
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,440
wouldn't suggest anything right you know

1421
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,760
it's it's more of just kind of trying to

1422
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:46,079
understand it you know but that does

1423
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:47,119
happen

1424
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,800
it is super

1425
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,640
interesting that is

1426
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,040
one of the most interesting parts

1427
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:55,680
i love reading about it okay so

1428
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:57,040
i was just talking about this with a

1429
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:58,559
client today

1430
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:01,359
so you can experience

1431
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:04,880
a traumatic event so horrible

1432
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:06,160
your brain

1433
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:07,920
blocks that memory out

1434
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:09,200
right it's just

1435
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:12,160
it's just too horrible to remember right

1436
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,119
or if you remember it it's kind of fuzzy

1437
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:17,280
like the memory will kind of have like a

1438
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,800
matte finish

1439
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:20,480
and it's to tone

1440
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:23,440
everything down okay so you may have a

1441
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:26,079
kind of a a dreamy memory of it or you

1442
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:27,760
can't remember anything

1443
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:28,559
so

1444
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:34,800
psychologist psychiatrist

1445
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:37,280
and you're doing an intake and trying to

1446
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:38,240
get the

1447
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:41,040
to know the client or patient better

1448
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,720
and you're talking about their child and

1449
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:44,160
you know what they're like you know what

1450
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:46,319
i don't remember anything nothing

1451
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:48,079
between the ages of four and eight

1452
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:50,240
you're like ooh

1453
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:52,079
ooh

1454
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:54,240
i think something really bad

1455
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:58,319
happened a amazing example of

1456
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,559
the memory being changed

1457
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:02,319
and maybe some missing time or things

1458
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,160
are a little bit fuzzy there's an

1459
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:06,720
excellent video of uh

1460
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:10,160
a new york uh new york city firefighter

1461
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:11,599
who was involved

1462
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:15,440
in 911 and he's kind of the guy

1463
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:17,680
who was closest to the collapse and

1464
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:19,040
didn't die

1465
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,200
and it's because he had all his gear on

1466
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:23,280
part of it was a respirator

1467
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:26,079
and right before the towers collapsed

1468
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:27,920
the kind of last thing he remembers are

1469
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:30,800
people jumping at the towers an absolute

1470
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:32,559
horrible thing to see

1471
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:34,240
he went to a therapist he has

1472
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,839
post-traumatic stress disorder oh man i

1473
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:37,680
got to talk about this

1474
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:39,359
to this day

1475
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,559
when he recalls the memory and he looks

1476
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:44,400
on the sidewalk

1477
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,160
he can only see dead cows

1478
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:50,640
he cannot see humans because it's too

1479
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:52,480
traumatic of a memory

1480
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:54,319
very very interesting interview with

1481
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:57,040
this guy now so that can happen right

1482
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:58,640
something terrible happens and you have

1483
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,920
some missing time but that's

1484
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:04,079
that's not really what i see

1485
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:05,760
with the uap

1486
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:08,800
stuff so i'm of the theory

1487
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:11,599
i could be wrong who knows

1488
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:12,559
that

1489
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:15,200
uap occupants

1490
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,319
are

1491
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:18,720
humans from the future that that's what

1492
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:20,000
i think

1493
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:24,400
and they can travel through other

1494
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:27,599
dimensions and i think that explains

1495
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:30,559
maybe the great speeds that they travel

1496
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:31,280
at

1497
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:34,319
so if you have a distance of maybe 200

1498
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:35,359
miles

1499
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:39,520
and through the manipulation of time or

1500
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:42,000
dimensions you can reduce it to a couple

1501
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,200
feet wide

1502
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:45,280
then you could just quick hop over

1503
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:46,640
there's also reports of things just

1504
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:48,799
disappearing they just whoop and they're

1505
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:51,839
gone yeah appear over there the time

1506
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:55,200
thing i think lends credence to that

1507
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:57,280
theory there's something going on

1508
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:59,359
with time so i've heard a couple very

1509
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:01,920
interesting cases one is the abduction

1510
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:03,520
of betty and barney hill and the white

1511
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,599
mountains of new hampshire and other

1512
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,119
stories like this where people are

1513
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:09,839
driving cars

1514
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:13,040
they don't really remember there was

1515
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:15,520
something going on the drive home

1516
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:17,520
and let's say the drive usually takes 20

1517
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:20,160
minutes they get home four hours later

1518
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:22,000
but they swear they were gone for 20

1519
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:23,920
minutes they thought the drive went fine

1520
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,400
are the clocks fast no right it took

1521
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,319
like three or four hours i read an

1522
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:30,960
account of a pilot he swears he was

1523
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:33,839
around a uap for two minutes he burned a

1524
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:36,160
half hour of fuel okay but the most

1525
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:38,240
interesting case

1526
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:40,799
is the rendel shim forest case

1527
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:44,000
uh from 1980 in the uk involving some us

1528
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,319
airmen there's a really really good book

1529
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:48,319
i recommend everybody read about the

1530
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:50,960
rendelsham forest by nick pope and nick

1531
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:53,280
pope uh really nice guy i've talked to

1532
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,319
him super cool guy he uh he during the

1533
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:58,960
90s he was kind of like the lou elizondo

1534
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:01,359
of the united kingdom like super cool

1535
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,480
guy very very savvy and knows a lot

1536
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:06,400
about uaps because he investigated so

1537
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:07,680
many cases

1538
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:09,760
and the reynoldshim forest one involved

1539
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:11,920
two airmen where they got very close to

1540
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,319
uap one actually touched it which is a

1541
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:16,880
whole other story so weird

1542
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:17,760
and

1543
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:20,720
they swear they were gone

1544
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:21,760
minute

1545
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:25,920
approached the craft it was almost like

1546
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:27,680
walking through

1547
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:28,640
mud

1548
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:31,599
or water or sand there was just this

1549
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:33,440
weird almost force field that he broke

1550
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,480
through

1551
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:36,480
so anyway the thing takes off and they

1552
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:38,720
walk back out of the forest and there's

1553
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:41,280
a bunch of airmen there was alarmed

1554
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:42,799
expressions

1555
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:45,359
and the two guys who are near the uap

1556
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:46,559
are like

1557
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,319
what are you guys doing here oh wow a

1558
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,680
bunch of people

1559
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:51,359
and they're like dude this is a search

1560
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:54,160
party yeah like search party who are you

1561
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:56,480
looking for you i mean like dude we've

1562
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:58,960
been gone a minute and said you guys

1563
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,680
have been missing for 45 minutes

1564
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:03,839
and the two men's

1565
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:07,280
watches were 45 minutes off

1566
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:09,359
from everybody else's

1567
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:10,880
it's so strange

1568
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:13,200
there's some totally weird it also may

1569
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:15,359
be the case of travis walton

1570
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:18,160
um blogger who was abducted in snowflake

1571
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:19,920
arizona if i remember the story

1572
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:22,079
correctly i think he was gone for four

1573
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:25,040
or five days yeah five days

1574
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:26,400
yeah he never would have guessed he

1575
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:27,839
thought he was gone for a couple hours

1576
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:29,440
so that time thing

1577
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:31,520
is super interesting and i think it has

1578
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:32,480
to do

1579
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:34,079
with the manipulation of time and

1580
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:36,160
dimensions i could be wrong

1581
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:38,079
yeah definitely i mean we've got you

1582
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:39,359
know some personal friends you know

1583
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,000
terry loveless i mean that guy he went

1584
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:44,319
on a routine motorcycle ride and riding

1585
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:46,000
on a dirt road is something he said he'd

1586
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:48,960
never do and he said i was cruising on

1587
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:50,079
the highway

1588
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:52,000
and then next thing i knew i'm driving

1589
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:54,160
down this dirt road and i kind of look

1590
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,720
around and i look down at my watch and

1591
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:58,000
i've been driving down this dirt road

1592
00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:00,319
for over two hours i'm two hours behind

1593
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:01,760
on my route

1594
00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:03,520
and i don't know

1595
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:06,319
i don't know what happens you know

1596
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:08,000
our buddy jocelyn you know she went to

1597
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:10,880
go take photos out at bradshaw ranch

1598
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,040
i think it was bradshaw ranch and she

1599
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:15,040
was with some friends

1600
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:16,960
across the yeah

1601
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,200
yeah she hopped the fence and she was

1602
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:21,280
gone for she said about 15-20 minutes

1603
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:22,799
she's taking pictures and when she came

1604
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:24,799
back over the sheriff's department was

1605
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:26,319
out there she had friends out there

1606
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:27,760
everybody was looking for her and she

1607
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:29,920
had been gone for a couple hours when

1608
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:31,760
just to her she was gone for a couple

1609
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,079
minutes just taking some photos but they

1610
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,480
believe you know she she you know

1611
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:38,160
they believe that maybe there is some

1612
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:40,880
sort of you know phenomena going on out

1613
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:42,000
at that ranch kind of like the

1614
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:44,400
skinwalker ranch or the skywalker ranch

1615
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:46,400
like there's like some high energies and

1616
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:48,000
if you go back to the rendelsham case

1617
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:50,880
right some of that binary code sedona

1618
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:53,680
arizona is where that's at so that is

1619
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:56,160
one of the places that have this

1620
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,000
supposed high energy

1621
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,720
uh in them uh

1622
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:02,480
it's also fascinating man that missing

1623
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:05,280
time stuff i mean that's my phone is uh

1624
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,799
like 11 minutes um ahead of everybody

1625
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:10,640
and i don't know why like everybody's

1626
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:13,119
phone is like matching except for mine

1627
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:17,510
at one point it was uh it was more

1628
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:19,200
accurate right there was like a period

1629
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:20,400
of time there's a couple months where it

1630
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:21,680
was like okay

1631
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:23,520
it was nine minutes and now it's 11

1632
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:25,760
minutes and now it's 11 minutes yeah it

1633
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:27,599
keeps getting faster i feel like i'm i'm

1634
00:59:30,829 --> 00:59:29,680
living like half a second faster than

1635
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:30,839
everybody

1636
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:32,720
dude he's maybe aging

1637
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:35,440
faster which is disturbing i know who

1638
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,319
knows smokes dude

1639
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:40,160
i know dude i watched this really

1640
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,520
interesting thing and they were talking

1641
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:43,599
about like the lifespans of like humans

1642
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:45,760
and then they went into like flies and

1643
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:47,760
stuff like that and have you know it

1644
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:50,480
having to do with their metabolism and

1645
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:52,000
they were talking about reptiles and

1646
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:53,520
stuff and they were talking about you

1647
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:55,440
know just on the food chain and however

1648
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:56,880
like your life

1649
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:58,880
length exists you know you're able to

1650
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:00,640
regulate your own metabolism and stuff

1651
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:02,400
and they were saying that's why when you

1652
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:05,760
like go to swat a fly if you go really

1653
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:07,119
really slow

1654
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:09,359
in their time it's like watching the

1655
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,520
grass grow so you're supposed to go

1656
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:13,599
really really slow if you're looking at

1657
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:16,160
an elephant it's a little bit like it's

1658
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,720
a little bit more laid back um

1659
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:20,799
well the reason the fly you go so slow

1660
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:22,640
is because they're running really really

1661
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:26,480
fast so the slower you move to them it's

1662
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:28,319
like watching the grass grow right but

1663
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:30,000
to an elephant doesn't have a lot of

1664
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:32,400
apex predators life's pretty slow

1665
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:33,839
they're just kind of hanging out they

1666
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:35,680
live for a long time

1667
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:37,920
reptiles they can like

1668
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:40,160
they live the longest it seems like them

1669
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:42,000
and like fish and birds and it's because

1670
01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:43,839
like their metabolism and how they live

1671
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:46,559
so like i'm wondering if that time thing

1672
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:48,559
like if these beings that are taking us

1673
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:51,200
live in that like you know sped up fly

1674
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:54,240
world where you know to them you know a

1675
01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:56,319
lifetime to us is like nothing it's like

1676
01:01:01,030 --> 01:00:58,319
a weekend you know we travel across the

1677
01:01:02,230 --> 01:01:01,040
universe it takes four million years it

1678
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:02,240
takes you know

1679
01:01:07,829 --> 01:01:05,920
25 generations of space you know birds

1680
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:07,839
to make it to another side of the galaxy

1681
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:09,680
and like that's a really long time they

1682
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:12,079
can do it instantly and it still you

1683
01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:13,920
know take four million years but to them

1684
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:16,000
it was it was like

1685
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:17,599
really quick

1686
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:20,160
yeah time is weird somebody uh i think

1687
01:01:24,309 --> 01:01:21,920
it was an article i read online by maybe

1688
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:24,319
a physicist he's he's still blown away

1689
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:25,359
by

1690
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:27,599
time can feel slow

1691
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:29,200
or it can feel

1692
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:30,640
quick you know if you're in a waiting

1693
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:33,280
room it seems like time slows

1694
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:35,680
and if you're you know eating a really

1695
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:38,000
good piece of birthday cake it just kind

1696
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:39,599
of goes so quick you you would think it

1697
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:41,040
would just be constant no matter the

1698
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:42,799
environment or experience it's

1699
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:46,000
interesting yeah yeah so we uh joe and i

1700
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:47,359
were actually talking about this a

1701
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:49,520
couple nights ago where like

1702
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:51,520
so back to you your uh

1703
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:53,200
understanding or maybe theory on your

1704
01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:55,760
journey right now is that that these e.t

1705
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:57,200
or aliens whatever you want to call them

1706
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:59,680
are us from the future who have figured

1707
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:01,520
out a technology that can

1708
01:02:06,309 --> 01:02:04,160
travel the universe from one side of a

1709
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:06,319
galaxy to another maybe from one

1710
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:09,119
universe to a different universe

1711
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:10,400
and

1712
01:02:15,029 --> 01:02:12,559
what i think uh

1713
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:15,039
is that whatever technology that they're

1714
01:02:19,029 --> 01:02:16,160
using

1715
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:19,039
is it so space and time

1716
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:21,280
is involved with that travel so it's

1717
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:23,680
it's technically not traveling it's just

1718
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:25,200
getting rid of one of the dimensions and

1719
01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:27,680
one of the dimensions is time so if you

1720
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:29,359
so like the diagram that i see in my

1721
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:31,200
mind is like you know that like really

1722
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:34,319
famous uh diagram where it's like you

1723
01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:36,319
see a ball in the middle of this grid

1724
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:38,480
and the heavier the ball the yes

1725
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:40,640
further it drops so flip that so you're

1726
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:43,200
looking at it like bird's eye view

1727
01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:44,880
so as you get closer to that

1728
01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:46,720
gravitational field so picture instead

1729
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:48,880
of a planet it's it's it's a black hole

1730
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:51,440
or maybe this you know if we if we

1731
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:53,760
believe that black holes are wormholes

1732
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:55,680
to different galaxies or universes or

1733
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:57,280
just anywhere and

1734
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,839
within whatever maybe they're portals

1735
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:01,440
yeah so as you're looking at it from

1736
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:02,400
this angle

1737
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:04,160
when you get closer to that event

1738
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:05,280
horizon

1739
01:03:09,029 --> 01:03:07,119
time stops but that's just from our

1740
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:09,039
perspective but to them they're going

1741
01:03:13,029 --> 01:03:10,319
this way

1742
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:13,039
but to us they stop just because our

1743
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:14,559
perspective we're looking at it like

1744
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:15,359
this

1745
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:18,880
moving okay well time stops when you get

1746
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:20,720
to the event horizon well maybe not is

1747
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:22,720
because they're like traveling that way

1748
01:03:25,029 --> 01:03:24,319
does that make sense

1749
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:25,039
it

1750
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:28,880
all right when people start talking

1751
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:30,480
about dimensions i'm out

1752
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:32,799
like i'm out i i don't

1753
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:34,319
i'm out of the conference i'll listen

1754
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,559
but i can't contribute anything

1755
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:38,240
the time thing is

1756
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:42,630
very

1757
01:03:52,549 --> 01:03:50,390
sorry

1758
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:52,559
no no no it's it's

1759
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:55,760
it's interesting and when i

1760
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:58,160
read an article or even the conversation

1761
01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:00,079
we're having right now i quickly reach

1762
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:03,119
my intellectual capacity

1763
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:05,839
i understand completely

1764
01:04:09,029 --> 01:04:07,359
you know but that is interesting that

1765
01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:09,039
you were talking about the physicist who

1766
01:04:12,309 --> 01:04:10,480
was studying how like when you're eating

1767
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:12,319
a piece of cake it goes faster but when

1768
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:14,160
you're sitting in a dmv it sucks and it

1769
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:15,440
takes forever

1770
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:18,000
it almost makes you wonder like

1771
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:20,240
is there like an internal mechanism like

1772
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:22,720
within the human being that can regulate

1773
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:25,039
the speed of time and it's something

1774
01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:28,480
that maybe we haven't uh

1775
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:30,880
like figured out how to use like maybe

1776
01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:32,000
there's

1777
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:33,760
parts to the the human body that we

1778
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:36,240
don't realize work in certain ways yet

1779
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:37,920
and maybe we're like

1780
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:41,039
evolving for that to be something like

1781
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:42,640
maybe in the mind you know like maybe

1782
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:46,240
these things live for 800 years uh

1783
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:48,000
because they know how to control that

1784
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,760
mechanism where they can go

1785
01:04:52,789 --> 01:04:51,359
or slower

1786
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:52,799
yeah good point if we're going with the

1787
01:04:55,589 --> 01:04:54,640
future human theory

1788
01:05:02,870 --> 01:04:55,599
as

1789
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:02,880
i have not read anything about

1790
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:04,799
uap occupants

1791
01:05:09,510 --> 01:05:05,920
speaking

1792
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:09,520
i i haven't seen an incident of that yet

1793
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:11,359
i've read a couple stories where

1794
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:13,200
somebody thought they heard a language

1795
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:15,359
that was almost similar to russian of

1796
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:17,520
course it wasn't russian

1797
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:19,119
and um

1798
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:20,240
there are

1799
01:05:25,230 --> 01:05:22,720
many many reports where humans were

1800
01:05:26,789 --> 01:05:25,240
contact they were spoken to

1801
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:26,799
telepathically

1802
01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:29,680
i'm now kind of getting into the theory

1803
01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:30,720
that

1804
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:34,240
the uaps are flown

1805
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:37,760
um via the pilot's mind

1806
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:40,880
uh which is really far out but it it

1807
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:42,880
does lend credence if you're gonna re uh

1808
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:44,720
if you're gonna follow bob lazar's story

1809
01:05:48,789 --> 01:05:46,240
in a couple other people's stories who

1810
01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:48,799
said they've been in uaps one of the

1811
01:05:54,309 --> 01:05:51,520
very fascinating things i love is

1812
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:54,319
um the the simplicity and that's an

1813
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:55,839
understatement of simplicity there are

1814
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:57,920
no buttons there are no

1815
01:06:01,990 --> 01:05:59,680
levers there are no gauges there's no

1816
01:06:03,589 --> 01:06:02,000
wiring there are no switches there are

1817
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:03,599
no screens

1818
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:05,680
you know everything has this radius of

1819
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:08,000
curvature like the whole thing has been

1820
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:10,160
melted everything's symmetrical it's

1821
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:13,359
like a jello mold right yes it's very

1822
01:06:19,109 --> 01:06:16,319
odd and people you know like there

1823
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:19,119
aren't doorways there's no art there's

1824
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:21,599
not a chart there's no paper there's no

1825
01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:23,760
wood there's no trim

1826
01:06:27,109 --> 01:06:24,799
and

1827
01:06:29,589 --> 01:06:27,119
uh reading this roswell book recently

1828
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:29,599
i'm i'm kind of open to the theory that

1829
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:31,200
not only can they communicate

1830
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:33,039
telepathically

1831
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:35,200
but they may be able

1832
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:36,960
to fly

1833
01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:39,680
the uap at will

1834
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:41,920
and the material is some kind of

1835
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:43,680
smart material

1836
01:06:48,789 --> 01:06:46,480
that maybe its velocity comes about from

1837
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:48,799
vibrations i mean it's just

1838
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:50,400
it's so

1839
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:52,160
weird but again we said at the very

1840
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:53,680
beginning of this conversation at this

1841
01:06:56,829 --> 01:06:55,599
point you know you put anything on the

1842
01:06:58,829 --> 01:06:56,839
table it might be

1843
01:07:02,309 --> 01:06:58,839
true

1844
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:02,319
absolutely the adam project joe uh or

1845
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:04,319
eric i mean joe you and i had an episode

1846
01:07:08,950 --> 01:07:05,680
about that but eric have you have you

1847
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:11,270
so it's pretty interesting it's it's got

1848
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:13,039
ryan reynolds in it and it's it's

1849
01:07:17,430 --> 01:07:15,280
talking about like the future you know

1850
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:17,440
and i think yeah i'm not sure when this

1851
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:20,079
i think it's like 2080 maybe is when it

1852
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:21,839
when this movie is set but he ends up

1853
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:23,280
coming back to like

1854
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:28,559
you know 2020 um on accident um so like

1855
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:30,720
the ship though is interesting because i

1856
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:32,319
feel like we probably have the

1857
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:33,920
technology to kind of do this already

1858
01:07:39,349 --> 01:07:36,880
but it's it runs off of his dna so he's

1859
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:39,359
the only person that can fly it um it

1860
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:42,960
learns him it knows him when the ship is

1861
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:46,559
injured um and if he's injured then the

1862
01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:48,960
ship won't allow him to fly because it's

1863
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:51,359
connected through his dna so they're

1864
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:53,520
like a symbiotic relationship yeah yeah

1865
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:55,680
they help each other out so that's

1866
01:08:00,150 --> 01:07:57,920
that's the catch is like the people you

1867
01:08:01,910 --> 01:08:00,160
know the group that he works for is mad

1868
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:01,920
because they can't do anything with this

1869
01:08:06,069 --> 01:08:04,160
ship because they don't have his dna

1870
01:08:08,549 --> 01:08:06,079
they have to have his dna in order to

1871
01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:08,559
move it it won't heal itself unless he

1872
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:11,119
himself is healed right oh yeah far out

1873
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:12,880
and the metal that they use is just like

1874
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:15,200
a meta material which does have

1875
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:16,960
properties that can heal itself just

1876
01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:18,640
like human cells

1877
01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:20,159
right right

1878
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:22,239
yeah but it needs some kind of uh

1879
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:24,480
technology right like some kind of

1880
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:25,679
uh

1881
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:28,960
biological

1882
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:31,679
or dna uh computing or

1883
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:34,159
or algorithm or something right i can't

1884
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:36,000
like cells can exist

1885
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:38,000
but they need a direction like hey this

1886
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:39,600
is how you do that like a program like

1887
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:42,560
the dna program yeah super cool yeah

1888
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:44,799
yeah the biomec stuff now you get into

1889
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:45,759
like just

1890
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,199
being able to

1891
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:49,440
interface with the craft through your

1892
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:52,000
mind which you know we can already hook

1893
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:54,319
our you know our heads up and move the

1894
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:57,040
mouse on a computer or move a artificial

1895
01:09:01,910 --> 01:09:00,000
arm we can already do that so who's to

1896
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:01,920
say that we can't actually interface

1897
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:05,120
with our minds into a craft and like

1898
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:06,880
part of me almost thinks that like the

1899
01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:08,960
the the tic tacs or whatever it is that

1900
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:10,719
we're seeing the saucers like whatever

1901
01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:12,000
it is that you're seeing like the

1902
01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:13,759
smaller ones it almost seems like it's

1903
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:15,759
it's maybe not even a craft it's maybe

1904
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:18,719
more of a platform that's coming from

1905
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:21,040
the craft itself you know the thing

1906
01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:23,279
actually moving through the universe and

1907
01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:24,719
the smaller stuff is just kind of a

1908
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:27,679
platform that you can interface with uh

1909
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:29,839
that's total speculation i i have no

1910
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:31,759
idea but yeah

1911
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:33,120
no you're on to something because there

1912
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:35,279
have been reports even of the tic tac at

1913
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:36,960
the nimitz

1914
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,080
where

1915
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:40,560
it looked fuzzy

1916
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:41,759
almost like

1917
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:43,839
you know when when you have a heat

1918
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:45,759
rising off a stove you have kind of that

1919
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:47,199
wavy

1920
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:48,799
look to it like

1921
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:50,560
some of these

1922
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:51,920
craft

1923
01:09:54,630 --> 01:09:53,040
are

1924
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:54,640
made out of

1925
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:57,679
metal ceramic whatever

1926
01:10:03,350 --> 01:09:58,880
but

1927
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:03,360
it it it's almost they just this is so

1928
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:05,760
weird it's like a solid but it's got

1929
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:08,159
this kind of fuzzy

1930
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:09,840
visual

1931
01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:13,440
thing around it where it kind of doesn't

1932
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:15,360
look real

1933
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:16,400
but it is

1934
01:10:21,270 --> 01:10:17,360
it's

1935
01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:21,280
like bending light around it yeah you

1936
01:10:25,189 --> 01:10:23,679
know you can almost see through it

1937
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:25,199
right but you're like wait can i see

1938
01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:26,159
through it

1939
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:28,960
okay so how do you how do you bend light

1940
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:31,040
with frequency because i think there's

1941
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:33,600
there's there's a key there like you can

1942
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:35,440
you can bend light with a couple things

1943
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:36,320
like

1944
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:37,199
uh

1945
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:38,719
gravity right

1946
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:39,760
yes

1947
01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:40,960
and

1948
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:46,159
you can bend light around objects but i

1949
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,400
think you can also bend light with with

1950
01:10:52,709 --> 01:10:50,400
certain frequencies and you need you

1951
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:52,719
need a certain type of atmosphere uh to

1952
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:55,360
do that so that little shield that that

1953
01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:57,040
that high school kid made or whatever is

1954
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:59,360
a perfect example you know yeah of being

1955
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:00,960
able to think

1956
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:03,840
so he made this this like plastic

1957
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:05,679
it's it's like a

1958
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:06,800
man i don't know it looks like something

1959
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:08,800
you put on a pergola it's just like a

1960
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:11,520
plastic and yeah you can like

1961
01:11:15,189 --> 01:11:13,040
put it right in front of you and you

1962
01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:15,199
can't see behind it it's like bending

1963
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:16,880
light to where like it's almost like an

1964
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:19,280
invisible cloak it's really interesting

1965
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:21,280
you can't see the person standing behind

1966
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:23,120
it ben's gonna pull up a picture of it

1967
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:25,679
right now uh it's pretty fascinating

1968
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:26,640
like

1969
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:29,440
we have you know and a kid made this you

1970
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:31,360
know it's like what is the military

1971
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:33,840
doing you know what i'm saying or wait

1972
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:37,199
what yeah so it's like a plexiglas type

1973
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:38,960
thing that he made

1974
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:41,199
and what happened to it

1975
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:43,360
ah

1976
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:44,800
nope

1977
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:48,080
there we go wrong copy image address

1978
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:50,159
and paste

1979
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:52,080
yeah there you go

1980
01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:53,840
okay so that's one well that's one image

1981
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:56,080
and then this one look at that like this

1982
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:57,360
is crazy

1983
01:12:03,189 --> 01:12:00,320
he's totally blocked out

1984
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:03,199
these craft i would assume are

1985
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:10,470
so it's like a diy thing like you can

1986
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:12,880
look up the instructions on on youtube

1987
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:13,679
now

1988
01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:15,679
i actually did that after our our show

1989
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:16,719
it was like two weeks ago we were

1990
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:18,400
talking about this and yeah you could

1991
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:19,920
you could build this one with just some

1992
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:22,320
layers of plexiglas apparently

1993
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:24,880
interesting yeah

1994
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:26,719
it's pretty it's pretty cool yeah i

1995
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:28,560
think i think one of the big hang-ups

1996
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:31,280
that people have is the fact that like

1997
01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:33,600
we don't have the full realization of

1998
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:35,840
what the human species is capable of

1999
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:38,400
creating you know and the stuff that is

2000
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:41,360
coming out now was already created and

2001
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:45,040
used 60 years ago by you know

2002
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:46,560
where it starts you know most of that

2003
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:48,960
stuff comes from like military funding

2004
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:51,120
and research and stuff and they utilize

2005
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:53,040
it how they want to utilize it learn how

2006
01:12:57,189 --> 01:12:54,960
to use it and then they send the rest of

2007
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:57,199
it down to us it's like here's the new

2008
01:13:01,830 --> 01:12:59,920
iphone 30 but like we've been using

2009
01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:01,840
iphone 80

2010
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:03,920
you know for like a long time already

2011
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:05,600
but you guys enjoy that it's gonna be

2012
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:07,280
really cool so

2013
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:09,199
you know you got guys like like jim

2014
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,560
goodall we were talking about that

2015
01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:12,480
earlier you know he knew ben rich who

2016
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:14,320
was the president of lockheed martin

2017
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:17,280
been rich straight up told everybody he

2018
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:20,159
says somebody asked him about et's and

2019
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:21,920
he said not only do we have the

2020
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:24,400
technology to take e.t home i have the

2021
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:29,910
what does that mean you know like he can

2022
01:13:33,669 --> 01:13:32,800
just say that but like okay

2023
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:33,679
you know

2024
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:35,600
the same guy said that anything you've

2025
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:37,760
ever seen in star trek or star wars

2026
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:39,840
we've already thought about it tried it

2027
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:41,679
or realized it wasn't worth our time

2028
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:43,760
like when when you have a guy like that

2029
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:45,360
making those types of statements it's

2030
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:48,960
like all right what what is what is up

2031
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:51,920
you know and i think some of it is is

2032
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:52,960
ours

2033
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:54,400
now i think there's some really weird

2034
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:56,800
stuff that definitely is not ours but i

2035
01:14:00,950 --> 01:13:58,800
i think it would be

2036
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:00,960
it would be nice to know what we're

2037
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:03,040
capable of building but you know we'll

2038
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:10,229
yeah so what so you're under the

2039
01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:11,440
impression that

2040
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:12,719
some of these things that people are

2041
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:14,480
seeing could be

2042
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:17,360
ours and i'm guessing because of back

2043
01:14:20,310 --> 01:14:18,480
engineering

2044
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:20,320
things we found

2045
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:22,320
i think so i think either back

2046
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:25,280
engineering things that we found or

2047
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:28,719
by total accident or luck or inspiration

2048
01:14:35,350 --> 01:14:32,239
like i love the idea that uh

2049
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:35,360
that that humans built the pyramids

2050
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:38,480
i love that idea i love the idea of like

2051
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:40,480
human beings and their ingenuity and

2052
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:42,480
like their creativity and their their

2053
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:44,320
you know their divine sparks that they

2054
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:47,520
have to like bring in whole new eras of

2055
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:49,920
the world you know is like so like

2056
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:52,400
empowering as yeah we still can't figure

2057
01:14:55,910 --> 01:14:54,480
it out for the human species even though

2058
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:55,920
we can't figure it out we're on this

2059
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:58,560
crazy journey and in the whole time span

2060
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:00,000
of the human species we haven't been

2061
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:02,480
around very long and like we're already

2062
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:04,400
exploring off of our planet and i think

2063
01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:06,640
that's really cool and there's you know

2064
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:08,239
there's a lot of like you know there's a

2065
01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:10,239
lot of negativity about the human race

2066
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:12,719
but i like to look at it you know i know

2067
01:15:16,229 --> 01:15:14,400
that there's shitty people out there but

2068
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,239
i like to look at it like look at it as

2069
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:18,480
a whole look at all the cool stuff we've

2070
01:15:22,709 --> 01:15:20,239
done and we don't even know what we're

2071
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:22,719
capable of doing you know it's

2072
01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:24,400
fascinating to me

2073
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:27,360
yeah when i saw stan friedman speak

2074
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:29,440
about 20 years ago

2075
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:31,040
um

2076
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:33,440
he was talking about just how fast

2077
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:35,280
everything's accelerating and he gave a

2078
01:15:38,870 --> 01:15:37,360
great example right at the beginning

2079
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:38,880
he said uh

2080
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:40,640
travel back in time

2081
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:43,199
and give christopher columbus

2082
01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:44,239
um

2083
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:46,960
the most brilliant people of his era

2084
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:49,600
unlimited funding unlimited resources

2085
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:50,800
and tell him to build a pocket

2086
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:53,120
calculator

2087
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:55,280
absolutely impossible with all the

2088
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:56,800
world's resources they wouldn't even

2089
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:58,159
come close they couldn't even make the

2090
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:01,199
plastic let alone you know a solar

2091
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:03,520
powered battery i mean

2092
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:05,520
and just think that was about you know

2093
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:06,480
500

2094
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:08,640
years ago right now we have people

2095
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:10,400
walking on the moon and the internet

2096
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:12,800
like dude i i don't like i can't even

2097
01:16:17,350 --> 01:16:15,440
talk about wi-fi i i can't even wrap my

2098
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:17,360
head around it like some invisible thing

2099
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:19,280
comes from that box and i can go on

2100
01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:21,920
youtube totally blows my mind but 500

2101
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:23,520
years ago the world's resources couldn't

2102
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:26,640
make a pocket calculator absolutely and

2103
01:16:30,470 --> 01:16:28,560
isn't that like interesting that like

2104
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:30,480
you know wi-fi is like giving you

2105
01:16:35,669 --> 01:16:33,120
internet through the air you know and

2106
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:35,679
you think about an advanced civilization

2107
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:38,640
and are they transmitting uh messages to

2108
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:40,400
you and you think it's telepathic but

2109
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:42,239
it's not technology you just don't know

2110
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:49,030
say what you will about um

2111
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:52,400
uh technology and like a

2112
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:54,480
an advanced civilization should be able

2113
01:17:00,870 --> 01:16:58,320
to uh speak to uh telepathically but

2114
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:00,880
man i i i think we figured some really

2115
01:17:06,149 --> 01:17:03,199
awesome stuff out just

2116
01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:06,159
with no help and i i think this uh

2117
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:10,000
this catalyst moment where 300 years ago

2118
01:17:13,750 --> 01:17:11,120
we were

2119
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:13,760
sharpening blades and knives with like a

2120
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:16,800
grindstone and once peop once somebody

2121
01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:18,880
figured out one thing

2122
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:20,960
it it i think it's a culmination of

2123
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:22,159
things i don't think we give ourselves

2124
01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:24,719
enough credit i mean a lot of stuff had

2125
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:25,600
had to

2126
01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:27,120
have happened

2127
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:29,600
uh like the mining of like copper and

2128
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:30,960
figuring out that that's like a

2129
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:33,440
conductive material and like having that

2130
01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:34,719
be a

2131
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:36,480
lucrative business

2132
01:17:41,590 --> 01:17:39,280
uh so like it has a lot to do with

2133
01:17:43,590 --> 01:17:41,600
with how we figure stuff out but also

2134
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:43,600
commerce and economy i think that's a

2135
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:46,320
huge chunk of the reason why we are

2136
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:47,840
where we are today

2137
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:50,640
and a big reason why we aren't where we

2138
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:52,000
could be

2139
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,080
right now because right now we're like

2140
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:56,400
in this sweet spot where or where

2141
01:18:02,229 --> 01:17:58,400
whoever's at the top is

2142
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:02,239
is making uh a a pretty hefty amount

2143
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:05,520
and i'm maybe i'm getting conspiratorial

2144
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:06,480
but

2145
01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:08,880
if you if you're a billionaire uh by

2146
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:10,960
controlling this certain set of of the

2147
01:18:14,950 --> 01:18:12,480
economy

2148
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:14,960
meaning like technologies uh with

2149
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:17,679
propulsion or having to do with uh

2150
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:20,400
efficiency with combustion engines

2151
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:21,840
i would do everything in my power i'll

2152
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:23,280
probably spend half of my money

2153
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:25,199
preventing those

2154
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:27,840
uh technologies from replacing the thing

2155
01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:29,040
that's making

2156
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:31,040
you know my silk sheets

2157
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:32,320
right right

2158
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:34,560
i think i think that's just not me i

2159
01:18:37,830 --> 01:18:36,080
don't know i've never been in that

2160
01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:37,840
scenario so i don't know what i would do

2161
01:18:41,580 --> 01:18:39,440
i've never owned the banking industry

2162
01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:41,590
before maybe i'll try it sometime

2163
01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:43,520
[Laughter]

2164
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:44,480
yeah

2165
01:18:47,750 --> 01:18:46,320
i've never owned silk sheets before but

2166
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:47,760
you know

2167
01:18:52,830 --> 01:18:50,719
[\h__\h] i got i got like 500 count working

2168
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:52,840
on that working out just leveling up to

2169
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:55,360
700 count it's bad when hotels have

2170
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:57,520
better sheets than you

2171
01:19:02,709 --> 01:18:59,520
remember they don't want to leave them

2172
01:19:16,149 --> 01:19:05,430
uh i miss my wife but god damn this uh

2173
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:17,830
they're really good man they're really

2174
01:19:21,430 --> 01:19:20,480
good so what's

2175
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:21,440
doing

2176
01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:24,239
being able to uh get to have a chance to

2177
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:26,000
talk to experiencers and kind of let

2178
01:19:29,830 --> 01:19:27,600
them just unload what has been one of

2179
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:29,840
the like most uh

2180
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:30,960
uh

2181
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:33,040
what's been one of the most eye-opening

2182
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:34,000
things

2183
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:35,440
that you think that you've ex

2184
01:19:43,270 --> 01:19:41,270
well as far as what i see in clients

2185
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:43,280
it's their loneliness

2186
01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:44,719
it's a pretty

2187
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:47,920
isolating experience like we discussed

2188
01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:49,120
earlier

2189
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:50,640
um

2190
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:52,080
what i do

2191
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:53,440
think is very

2192
01:19:59,110 --> 01:19:56,080
positive um

2193
01:20:01,110 --> 01:19:59,120
in me what just studying

2194
01:20:06,310 --> 01:20:01,120
this field

2195
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:08,629
i don't really worry about things i used

2196
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:11,920
to worry about i find them so trivial so

2197
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:15,040
before i started researching uaps i was

2198
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:16,960
researching a lot

2199
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:19,600
about the criminal justice system

2200
01:20:24,149 --> 01:20:21,040
race

2201
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:24,159
economics and a couple other subjects

2202
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:26,000
that relate to those

2203
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:29,280
i was very interested in cancel culture

2204
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:32,480
i was very interested in victimhood and

2205
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:35,600
some of those subjects may my blood

2206
01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:38,159
boil out of people's selfishness or

2207
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:39,920
people's deceit

2208
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:44,320
and now i do not care at all i don't

2209
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:46,400
care at all because

2210
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:52,310
i think it's inarguably the the greatest

2211
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:54,719
story in the history of mankind

2212
01:20:58,390 --> 01:20:55,679
um

2213
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:58,400
with that said

2214
01:21:06,229 --> 01:20:59,760
the

2215
01:21:08,790 --> 01:21:06,239
especially around our most prized

2216
01:21:11,350 --> 01:21:08,800
military assets

2217
01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:11,360
i'm kind of on the

2218
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:12,560
um

2219
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:17,760
people who think that they're visiting

2220
01:21:20,629 --> 01:21:19,840
to make us

2221
01:21:22,950 --> 01:21:20,639
um

2222
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:22,960
this amazing

2223
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:25,040
um effective

2224
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:27,520
conf conflict-free

2225
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:29,280
non-polluting

2226
01:21:33,510 --> 01:21:32,159
philosophical intellectual insightful

2227
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:33,520
society

2228
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:35,360
that could be true

2229
01:21:41,189 --> 01:21:38,159
but the more i learn

2230
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:41,199
and i don't know why i feel this way

2231
01:21:46,950 --> 01:21:44,000
i sometimes have an occasional feeling

2232
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:46,960
of doom which which does

2233
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:49,280
give me anxiety or

2234
01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:51,840
make me depressed i have no

2235
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:54,960
specific reason to believe this it might

2236
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:56,880
uh stem from their interaction with

2237
01:22:01,990 --> 01:21:59,760
military assets and nuclear stuff

2238
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:02,000
um but that's one of the challenges

2239
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:04,880
about this field is

2240
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:06,960
we've never gotten a message you know

2241
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:07,760
we've

2242
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:10,480
and

2243
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:15,120
all very mysterious

2244
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:17,280
in general when people are lacking

2245
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:20,719
information they make up a bad story

2246
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:23,280
it's just what we're good at right so my

2247
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:24,400
boss it's

2248
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:25,920
it's so ridiculous i think i need a

2249
01:22:29,669 --> 01:22:27,040
therapist

2250
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:29,679
uh when she says uh eric i gotta talk to

2251
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:32,320
you later i'm like yep i'm getting fired

2252
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:35,280
yep definitely career's over i'll never

2253
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:38,320
be on the ufo garage podcast you know my

2254
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:40,320
my world is shattered

2255
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:41,760
and then i poke my head in later and

2256
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:43,120
she's like oh yeah we're going to the

2257
01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:44,560
furniture store didn't you say you need

2258
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:46,400
a lamp and i'm like oh

2259
01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:49,199
but that's what we do you know our wife

2260
01:22:53,189 --> 01:22:51,760
is home and a half hour late yeah she's

2261
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:53,199
probably cheating on me and she's like

2262
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:54,880
no i just had to stop at the grocery

2263
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:55,679
store

2264
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:56,880
so maybe

2265
01:23:02,310 --> 01:22:59,760
i'm falling into that where i'm lacking

2266
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:02,320
information so i'll just go back to that

2267
01:23:05,910 --> 01:23:04,000
thing we've been carrying with us since

2268
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:05,920
the caveman days i'll think of a

2269
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:07,920
terrible story because it's good to have

2270
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:10,000
your guard up and if you go in with low

2271
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:12,080
expectations you'll always be pleasantly

2272
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:14,400
surprised so i have stopped worrying

2273
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:16,960
about things i now find very trivial

2274
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:19,280
but if sometimes i just need a break

2275
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:21,040
from the uap stuff like i'll put down my

2276
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:23,600
book i'll shut off my computer i'll go

2277
01:23:28,470 --> 01:23:25,840
hiking because there's so much

2278
01:23:30,790 --> 01:23:28,480
information gonna be quite overwhelming

2279
01:23:32,629 --> 01:23:30,800
it absolutely can be man you were

2280
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:32,639
talking earlier a little bit a second

2281
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:35,120
ago about you know you were really into

2282
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:37,600
like you know economics and like race

2283
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:39,199
and you know a lot of things that

2284
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:41,199
happened to people in their everyday

2285
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:43,280
life a lot of you know just the way you

2286
01:23:47,669 --> 01:23:46,080
grow up the way you are um you know your

2287
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:47,679
current situation a lot of that stuff

2288
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:50,800
does stem from you know like like where

2289
01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:53,040
you grew up or your economic situation

2290
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:55,040
or like you know even certain like race

2291
01:23:58,709 --> 01:23:56,880
topics you know like there's just all

2292
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:58,719
that stuff is included

2293
01:24:03,510 --> 01:24:00,560
do you feel like the ufo topic is

2294
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:03,520
something that transcends all of that

2295
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:06,400
because it's like happening to everybody

2296
01:24:09,669 --> 01:24:07,679
equally like

2297
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:09,679
everyone want to talk about equality man

2298
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:11,440
ufos are totally equal they're

2299
01:24:14,950 --> 01:24:13,440
non-discriminate they're

2300
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:14,960
they're picking up everybody out here

2301
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:16,639
you know like yeah

2302
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:18,639
it's it's such a and that's one of the

2303
01:24:22,709 --> 01:24:20,480
things that i find delightful about the

2304
01:24:24,629 --> 01:24:22,719
topic is that like a lot of those can be

2305
01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:24,639
uncomfortable conversations sometimes

2306
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:26,480
and then a lot of times people just

2307
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:29,199
can't handle them for some reason but

2308
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:31,440
this thing is like well we don't have to

2309
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:33,199
talk about any of that let's talk about

2310
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:34,719
like something that's happening to

2311
01:24:39,910 --> 01:24:37,520
people real quick you know right and uh

2312
01:24:42,149 --> 01:24:39,920
and it's global i mean it's it's every

2313
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:42,159
human and i you know of course i watch

2314
01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:44,560
your episodes with luella zondo

2315
01:24:50,709 --> 01:24:48,320
and he and others have said

2316
01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:50,719
when whatever happens

2317
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:51,920
happens

2318
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:53,600
it's not well

2319
01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:56,960
you're iranian and i'm canadian and

2320
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:59,199
you're black and i'm asian it's just

2321
01:25:04,149 --> 01:25:00,800
it's going to be

2322
01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:04,159
we're humans or we're earthlings even

2323
01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:06,639
and that would be quite

2324
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:09,360
refreshing it would be quite refreshing

2325
01:25:14,470 --> 01:25:12,000
that's kind of i've started that mindset

2326
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:14,480
myself where

2327
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:18,080
i'm i'm now less concerned with maybe

2328
01:25:21,669 --> 01:25:20,159
your physical characteristics or what

2329
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:21,679
country you're from

2330
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:24,880
it's that you're from this planet

2331
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:27,840
because the way things are shaping up

2332
01:25:32,149 --> 01:25:30,400
another theory is that these uap

2333
01:25:33,189 --> 01:25:32,159
occupants maybe originated on earth and

2334
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:33,199
now live

2335
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:35,520
on another planet you know i'm i'm open

2336
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:38,000
to that as well or maybe originate from

2337
01:25:40,870 --> 01:25:39,600
another planet and just visiting here i

2338
01:25:42,149 --> 01:25:40,880
don't know

2339
01:25:45,189 --> 01:25:42,159
but it's

2340
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:45,199
if the future human theory is incorrect

2341
01:25:52,149 --> 01:25:48,960
then we have humans and we have

2342
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,159
something else it's um certainly changed

2343
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:54,000
my mind on that and you make a very good

2344
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:55,840
point it's i think whatever's going to

2345
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:57,120
happen is going to happen it's going to

2346
01:26:02,070 --> 01:25:59,920
bring us together and now we are just

2347
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:02,080
humans i mean what a thought

2348
01:26:07,189 --> 01:26:05,199
right right i love that idea because

2349
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:07,199
even if they uh

2350
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:09,600
they as extraterrestrials are from a

2351
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:11,520
different universe or different planet

2352
01:26:16,470 --> 01:26:13,440
or galaxy

2353
01:26:17,590 --> 01:26:16,480
i i have a feeling that that we share a

2354
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:17,600
common

2355
01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:19,920
uh ancestry

2356
01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:22,000
especially if we have one head two eyes

2357
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:24,400
a nose a mouth two arms

2358
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:27,040
two legs that's their legs being bipedal

2359
01:26:33,669 --> 01:26:30,960
is extremely rare yeah and and i i uh i

2360
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:33,679
don't it's just a hunch man uh based off

2361
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:35,280
of of

2362
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:37,360
uh the amount of people that i've talked

2363
01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:39,280
to and just the amount of time that i've

2364
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:40,800
taken to like really think about a lot

2365
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:43,920
of this stuff and uh yeah man it's it's

2366
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:46,320
it's gotta be it's gotta be more simple

2367
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:48,480
than than we're making it um

2368
01:26:52,229 --> 01:26:50,719
uh making it out to be i mean i i'm not

2369
01:26:56,310 --> 01:26:52,239
discounting the idea that there's like

2370
01:26:57,189 --> 01:26:56,320
reptilians and and and feline uh races

2371
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:57,199
because

2372
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:59,120
well in both of those there's one head

2373
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:01,440
two arms two leg maybe sometimes there's

2374
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:04,320
like vestigial uh limbs and stuff which

2375
01:27:09,669 --> 01:27:06,480
look i'm very uh we're joe and i are

2376
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:09,679
very open-minded to to that to that uh

2377
01:27:14,950 --> 01:27:12,000
um in any any different race or whatever

2378
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:14,960
there's like a there's an insectoid uh

2379
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:17,520
race as well so yeah i'm just interested

2380
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:19,920
in and and uh and all that but like the

2381
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:22,320
the unifying factor uh going back to

2382
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:23,679
that what you were just speaking about

2383
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:25,760
eric uh

2384
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:27,600
is i think

2385
01:27:30,550 --> 01:27:28,880
i think what's happening now what we're

2386
01:27:31,510 --> 01:27:30,560
seeing especially in the past couple

2387
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:31,520
years

2388
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:33,040
is this push

2389
01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:35,280
to not tell you

2390
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:37,280
what it is or

2391
01:27:41,830 --> 01:27:39,280
where they're from

2392
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:41,840
but to make it

2393
01:27:47,189 --> 01:27:43,600
make you us

2394
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:47,199
as as a society as a world culture

2395
01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:49,760
have it be our own idea and our own

2396
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:51,360
interpretation because you can't just

2397
01:27:56,470 --> 01:27:54,080
tell everybody hey get along

2398
01:27:58,229 --> 01:27:56,480
they have to they have to accept it and

2399
01:28:00,790 --> 01:27:58,239
they have to it has to be their idea it

2400
01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:00,800
has to be our idea like you can't just

2401
01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:03,760
force somebody to to do something as as

2402
01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:05,840
complicated as get along

2403
01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:06,880
right right

2404
01:28:11,270 --> 01:28:08,960
so i just i just kind of i feel like

2405
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:11,280
we're in a good place you guys like

2406
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:13,520
nuts and bolts or or spirituality i

2407
01:28:19,110 --> 01:28:16,080
think they're all coming you know to to

2408
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:19,120
uh to a head pretty soon y'all i would

2409
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:23,280
agree and the recent um

2410
01:28:29,830 --> 01:28:25,040
intelligence briefing

2411
01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:29,840
uh the congressional briefing that aired

2412
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:32,000
other people have pointed this out my

2413
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:34,000
favorite part was

2414
01:28:38,709 --> 01:28:36,560
that the two gentlemen

2415
01:28:41,750 --> 01:28:38,719
who were briefing the house intelligence

2416
01:28:43,669 --> 01:28:41,760
committee in america

2417
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:43,679
they seem very human

2418
01:28:47,430 --> 01:28:46,560
they they they seem

2419
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:47,440
very

2420
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:48,719
personable

2421
01:28:52,229 --> 01:28:49,679
um

2422
01:28:54,870 --> 01:28:52,239
very approachable it sounds like i could

2423
01:28:56,550 --> 01:28:54,880
have a beer with one of those guys which

2424
01:28:58,629 --> 01:28:56,560
really surprised me i've worked for the

2425
01:29:01,510 --> 01:28:58,639
feds i was in the military and they

2426
01:29:04,149 --> 01:29:01,520
could be pretty dry bureaucrats yeah and

2427
01:29:05,430 --> 01:29:04,159
they even took the time to say that

2428
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:05,440
sometimes

2429
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:08,480
yeah uh ronald moultrie was like yeah

2430
01:29:15,669 --> 01:29:13,750
also said he's like you know i have

2431
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:15,679
family members and friends

2432
01:29:19,669 --> 01:29:17,760
and we just want to know what this is

2433
01:29:21,030 --> 01:29:19,679
and everybody wants to be safe i thought

2434
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:21,040
that was brilliant that he mentioned

2435
01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:23,440
that and it seemed very authentic

2436
01:29:27,030 --> 01:29:24,480
yeah

2437
01:29:29,590 --> 01:29:27,040
have you ever heard of uh have you ever

2438
01:29:30,870 --> 01:29:29,600
heard of an experiencer uh being called

2439
01:29:33,189 --> 01:29:30,880
the antenna

2440
01:29:34,229 --> 01:29:33,199
have you ever heard that term

2441
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:34,239
yes

2442
01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:38,560
well how do you uh how do you take that

2443
01:29:42,310 --> 01:29:40,239
well

2444
01:29:43,750 --> 01:29:42,320
basically what it seems like to me and

2445
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:43,760
and there's you know some research

2446
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:46,080
coming out now with like gary nolan

2447
01:29:49,990 --> 01:29:47,920
doing studies on the basal ganglia and

2448
01:29:53,350 --> 01:29:50,000
the cardiopathema

2449
01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:53,360
area of the of of the brain and how like

2450
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:56,000
certain experiencers uh that area of the

2451
01:30:00,310 --> 01:29:57,360
brain

2452
01:30:02,310 --> 01:30:00,320
lights up like it's it's oh like really

2453
01:30:03,910 --> 01:30:02,320
overly active and it's usually not

2454
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:03,920
something that you would see they're

2455
01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:06,239
producing higher frequencies well the

2456
01:30:10,790 --> 01:30:08,480
intelligence agency classifies these

2457
01:30:13,270 --> 01:30:10,800
people as antennas and

2458
01:30:14,149 --> 01:30:13,280
for me you know without getting any sort

2459
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:14,159
of

2460
01:30:18,149 --> 01:30:16,480
clear explanation from from the feds

2461
01:30:20,470 --> 01:30:18,159
right

2462
01:30:23,030 --> 01:30:20,480
it leads me to believe that these people

2463
01:30:25,510 --> 01:30:23,040
um can activate this this region of the

2464
01:30:28,709 --> 01:30:25,520
brain or when these things come around

2465
01:30:32,070 --> 01:30:28,719
it it uh it lights up um and maybe

2466
01:30:34,629 --> 01:30:32,080
that's a a a beacon of some sort for

2467
01:30:36,950 --> 01:30:34,639
some of these these contactees you know

2468
01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:36,960
it's like well you know maybe it's not

2469
01:30:42,790 --> 01:30:39,520
all just chips and stuff maybe it's a

2470
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:42,800
it's a actual biological uh thing that's

2471
01:30:48,390 --> 01:30:44,639
happening to the human body when they

2472
01:30:50,709 --> 01:30:48,400
come in contact with these craft um what

2473
01:30:52,229 --> 01:30:50,719
is the uh what's the the the new one

2474
01:30:54,950 --> 01:30:52,239
been um

2475
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:54,960
it's it's like a traumatic brain

2476
01:30:57,830 --> 01:30:56,400
injury that people

2477
01:30:59,270 --> 01:30:57,840
are starting to

2478
01:31:00,470 --> 01:30:59,280
i think they're saying that they're

2479
01:31:02,310 --> 01:31:00,480
they're getting when they come in

2480
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:02,320
contact with some of these craft but

2481
01:31:07,750 --> 01:31:06,000
yeah you said yeah traumatic uh a tb

2482
01:31:10,229 --> 01:31:07,760
tdi tbi

2483
01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:10,239
yeah there you go there you go i can

2484
01:31:15,189 --> 01:31:11,440
totally spell

2485
01:31:17,270 --> 01:31:15,199
even even as as uh even as simple as as

2486
01:31:19,030 --> 01:31:17,280
needing glasses they believe that the

2487
01:31:21,750 --> 01:31:19,040
electromagnetics in these things are

2488
01:31:24,070 --> 01:31:21,760
like well actually people get sunburns

2489
01:31:26,790 --> 01:31:24,080
and and things like that and it's it's

2490
01:31:28,870 --> 01:31:26,800
it's pulling the iron from your blood up

2491
01:31:30,629 --> 01:31:28,880
to the surface like it's it's actually

2492
01:31:32,149 --> 01:31:30,639
separating it um and it's really

2493
01:31:34,550 --> 01:31:32,159
dangerous stuff that can happen if you

2494
01:31:35,910 --> 01:31:34,560
get next to really powerful magnets well

2495
01:31:37,510 --> 01:31:35,920
this kind of stuff is happening to

2496
01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:37,520
people when they're coming in contact

2497
01:31:42,390 --> 01:31:38,880
with these things

2498
01:31:44,870 --> 01:31:42,400
um it's pretty pretty powerful you know

2499
01:31:49,270 --> 01:31:44,880
that that brain that brain thing if it

2500
01:31:50,550 --> 01:31:49,280
is creating a antenna of some sort you

2501
01:31:52,709 --> 01:31:50,560
know

2502
01:31:54,629 --> 01:31:52,719
that would be interesting to see some

2503
01:31:56,830 --> 01:31:54,639
some studies on that you know because we

2504
01:32:00,550 --> 01:31:56,840
have a lot of friends who say yeah

2505
01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:00,560
um i will see things pretty often but

2506
01:32:04,470 --> 01:32:02,880
have you ever gotten five of us together

2507
01:32:06,229 --> 01:32:04,480
in a room

2508
01:32:08,229 --> 01:32:06,239
to see what happens you know and they

2509
01:32:09,830 --> 01:32:08,239
will occasionally get together and you

2510
01:32:11,110 --> 01:32:09,840
always see something i mean we've been

2511
01:32:12,470 --> 01:32:11,120
out with them

2512
01:32:14,390 --> 01:32:12,480
and when you get them all together i

2513
01:32:16,629 --> 01:32:14,400
mean the skies light up it's very

2514
01:32:18,390 --> 01:32:16,639
strange it's very strange

2515
01:32:19,590 --> 01:32:18,400
yeah now that you explain the antenna

2516
01:32:21,030 --> 01:32:19,600
thing i know what you mean and yeah i

2517
01:32:23,189 --> 01:32:21,040
have heard of that

2518
01:32:27,189 --> 01:32:23,199
um and there's

2519
01:32:29,510 --> 01:32:27,199
you know some theories about

2520
01:32:32,310 --> 01:32:29,520
why are certain people

2521
01:32:33,669 --> 01:32:32,320
contacted you know and others aren't

2522
01:32:36,229 --> 01:32:33,679
i've also read

2523
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:36,239
very interesting cases

2524
01:32:40,390 --> 01:32:38,000
where there'll be you know four people

2525
01:32:42,070 --> 01:32:40,400
standing outside and one of them's like

2526
01:32:43,350 --> 01:32:42,080
dude do you see that and they're like

2527
01:32:44,629 --> 01:32:43,360
see what

2528
01:32:47,030 --> 01:32:44,639
where

2529
01:32:48,790 --> 01:32:47,040
it's like but it's a physical

2530
01:32:51,030 --> 01:32:48,800
as far as we can tell

2531
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:51,040
it's a physical object so why can't you

2532
01:32:55,270 --> 01:32:53,040
see it another example is

2533
01:32:57,510 --> 01:32:55,280
simply would go on vacation hawaii

2534
01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:57,520
take a bunch of photos of volcanoes

2535
01:33:02,629 --> 01:32:59,520
they don't see anything when the film's

2536
01:33:04,709 --> 01:33:02,639
developed there's something on it so any

2537
01:33:05,990 --> 01:33:04,719
device can pick it up

2538
01:33:09,430 --> 01:33:06,000
but we

2539
01:33:10,310 --> 01:33:09,440
can't uh speaking about uap injuries

2540
01:33:19,590 --> 01:33:10,320
um

2541
01:33:21,430 --> 01:33:19,600
totaling 1500 pages

2542
01:33:23,669 --> 01:33:21,440
released by the government recently i'm

2543
01:33:26,709 --> 01:33:23,679
i'm reading through all of them and i

2544
01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:26,719
did read the one about uap injuries

2545
01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:27,600
and

2546
01:33:33,510 --> 01:33:30,239
um i'm just speaking for myself if i saw

2547
01:33:36,470 --> 01:33:33,520
a uap i i wouldn't go near it um because

2548
01:33:38,229 --> 01:33:36,480
some of these injuries are very bad

2549
01:33:39,270 --> 01:33:38,239
really bad particularly the brain

2550
01:33:41,510 --> 01:33:39,280
injuries

2551
01:33:44,390 --> 01:33:41,520
and if i remember correctly let's say

2552
01:33:46,950 --> 01:33:44,400
they had you know 40 or 50 people that

2553
01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:46,960
they studied that were near uaps

2554
01:33:52,229 --> 01:33:49,120
i believe a quarter of them died within

2555
01:33:52,950 --> 01:33:52,239
seven years of seeing the uap and again

2556
01:33:56,830 --> 01:33:52,960
it's

2557
01:33:58,790 --> 01:33:56,840
propulsion system some kind of

2558
01:34:01,270 --> 01:33:58,800
electromagnetic wave

2559
01:34:04,950 --> 01:34:01,280
there was a case it's i've been trying

2560
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:04,960
to look into it because i kind of know

2561
01:34:09,430 --> 01:34:08,080
people in the military where some of the

2562
01:34:12,550 --> 01:34:09,440
people studied

2563
01:34:14,470 --> 01:34:12,560
were special forces officers

2564
01:34:15,830 --> 01:34:14,480
who were medically retired and some of

2565
01:34:17,910 --> 01:34:15,840
them died

2566
01:34:20,629 --> 01:34:17,920
not long after being around the uap

2567
01:34:22,070 --> 01:34:20,639
nobody will reveal where they were

2568
01:34:24,070 --> 01:34:22,080
what was the nature of it were they

2569
01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:24,080
there by chance were they sent there on

2570
01:34:26,950 --> 01:34:25,280
a mission

2571
01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:26,960
nobody really knows but they woke up

2572
01:34:30,709 --> 01:34:29,040
unconscious with burns and then

2573
01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:30,719
subsequent

2574
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:33,600
tbis i'd i'd

2575
01:34:37,669 --> 01:34:35,760
really be cautious about

2576
01:34:39,750 --> 01:34:37,679
approaching something

2577
01:34:42,149 --> 01:34:39,760
however there are other instances like i

2578
01:34:44,870 --> 01:34:42,159
know somebody who lives in the midwest

2579
01:34:47,669 --> 01:34:44,880
and an orb with a cube in the middle

2580
01:34:51,189 --> 01:34:47,679
similar to what the navy has seen

2581
01:34:53,510 --> 01:34:51,199
um floated over him and he had no

2582
01:34:55,430 --> 01:34:53,520
signs or symptoms of any kind of adverse

2583
01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:55,440
effects so again

2584
01:35:00,550 --> 01:34:58,080
um like bob lazar said you know we we

2585
01:35:02,709 --> 01:35:00,560
have no idea

2586
01:35:04,790 --> 01:35:02,719
what we're poking around in and he put

2587
01:35:08,470 --> 01:35:04,800
it like you know what if you dropped off

2588
01:35:10,070 --> 01:35:08,480
a nuclear reactor in you know 1600s

2589
01:35:11,430 --> 01:35:10,080
england eventually they're going to get

2590
01:35:13,830 --> 01:35:11,440
curious they're going to take off the

2591
01:35:15,910 --> 01:35:13,840
shielding everybody's going to die and

2592
01:35:17,990 --> 01:35:15,920
then more people just walk into the room

2593
01:35:19,510 --> 01:35:18,000
and they they they have no idea what

2594
01:35:20,950 --> 01:35:19,520
radiation is

2595
01:35:23,430 --> 01:35:20,960
and so some of these injuries are

2596
01:35:25,669 --> 01:35:23,440
actually really concerning especially to

2597
01:35:26,709 --> 01:35:25,679
the brain it's a very very delicate

2598
01:35:29,189 --> 01:35:26,719
organ

2599
01:35:30,950 --> 01:35:29,199
it is it it's also really interesting

2600
01:35:33,270 --> 01:35:30,960
like when you look back and like you

2601
01:35:34,790 --> 01:35:33,280
know ancient history type stuff you know

2602
01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:34,800
like you look at the ark of the covenant

2603
01:35:38,950 --> 01:35:36,639
what happens if you go in there and you

2604
01:35:41,109 --> 01:35:38,960
see it and your hair starts to fall out

2605
01:35:42,950 --> 01:35:41,119
you start to lose your teeth you know

2606
01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:42,960
you can't handle it you know only

2607
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:44,800
certain people are allowed to go in

2608
01:35:48,950 --> 01:35:46,800
there you start relating like these

2609
01:35:50,070 --> 01:35:48,960
craft to like just simple things that

2610
01:35:51,669 --> 01:35:50,080
have happened here on earth there's

2611
01:35:54,070 --> 01:35:51,679
certain temples right that you're not

2612
01:35:55,910 --> 01:35:54,080
supposed to go near because it's got

2613
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:55,920
something inside and people die when

2614
01:35:59,109 --> 01:35:57,840
they go inside like

2615
01:36:01,030 --> 01:35:59,119
that's really creepy that we've been

2616
01:36:03,750 --> 01:36:01,040
dealing with this and it's been recorded

2617
01:36:06,550 --> 01:36:03,760
like down in ancient history and we're

2618
01:36:08,390 --> 01:36:06,560
still to this day looking up like

2619
01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:08,400
i have no idea what that is

2620
01:36:11,510 --> 01:36:09,360
yeah

2621
01:36:12,950 --> 01:36:11,520
also like just knowing that the human

2622
01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:12,960
body

2623
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:15,840
it it runs off of electrical impulses

2624
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:17,760
well mixed with chemical but we're

2625
01:36:22,149 --> 01:36:20,159
electrical beings like yeah the synapse

2626
01:36:23,669 --> 01:36:22,159
is the communication between our brain

2627
01:36:26,470 --> 01:36:23,679
and every

2628
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:26,480
organism that lives in our body it it it

2629
01:36:32,470 --> 01:36:28,800
thrives off of electrical communication

2630
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:32,480
at a very uh subdued level so if if

2631
01:36:35,910 --> 01:36:34,800
whatever craft or technology that that

2632
01:36:39,109 --> 01:36:35,920
it's using

2633
01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:39,119
has to do with the same communication

2634
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:40,960
level that our body

2635
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:42,800
communicates with there's got to be

2636
01:36:51,750 --> 01:36:49,350
more validates

2637
01:36:55,910 --> 01:36:51,760
those stories for me knowing that like

2638
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:55,920
at a at a tiny a tiny level

2639
01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:57,280
uh

2640
01:37:01,590 --> 01:36:59,360
the things that that make things work

2641
01:37:03,430 --> 01:37:01,600
can also ruin it or

2642
01:37:05,350 --> 01:37:03,440
destroy it

2643
01:37:06,790 --> 01:37:05,360
yeah and i think uh

2644
01:37:07,990 --> 01:37:06,800
again i don't know too much about just

2645
01:37:08,950 --> 01:37:08,000
what i read

2646
01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:08,960
um

2647
01:37:12,629 --> 01:37:10,560
i don't think these injuries are

2648
01:37:14,629 --> 01:37:12,639
intentional you know i i don't think

2649
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:14,639
there's any ill will

2650
01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:15,440
to

2651
01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:18,560
injure humans i just think that we're

2652
01:37:22,470 --> 01:37:20,159
getting close to something that we don't

2653
01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:22,480
understand the effects of

2654
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:23,760
it could be wrong

2655
01:37:28,149 --> 01:37:24,639
yeah

2656
01:37:29,590 --> 01:37:28,159
this is

2657
01:37:31,189 --> 01:37:29,600
probably a terrible analogy but it's

2658
01:37:33,030 --> 01:37:31,199
like when you're mowing the lawn right

2659
01:37:34,390 --> 01:37:33,040
and a grass snake you scare it and it

2660
01:37:36,550 --> 01:37:34,400
shoots out in front of your lawnmower

2661
01:37:38,629 --> 01:37:36,560
and you run it over yeah it's like i

2662
01:37:41,109 --> 01:37:38,639
didn't mean to do that you know you just

2663
01:37:42,470 --> 01:37:41,119
got close you died

2664
01:37:46,470 --> 01:37:42,480
i was trying to observe you from a

2665
01:37:50,229 --> 01:37:48,550
yeah it was terrible announcement yeah i

2666
01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:50,239
mean there's something there there's

2667
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:51,360
something there

2668
01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:52,560
i'm gonna work on it and come back to

2669
01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:54,880
you next week bro actually i was uh

2670
01:37:57,189 --> 01:37:56,320
playing with birdie

2671
01:38:05,270 --> 01:37:57,199
uh

2672
01:38:07,030 --> 01:38:05,280
throwing the ball and i'm like ha ha ha

2673
01:38:08,790 --> 01:38:07,040
and i walk up on these like two little

2674
01:38:10,470 --> 01:38:08,800
grass snakes you know like they're very

2675
01:38:12,790 --> 01:38:10,480
uh maybe dark brown or black and they

2676
01:38:14,870 --> 01:38:12,800
have the two yellow very light stripes

2677
01:38:17,830 --> 01:38:14,880
along they're very like you know

2678
01:38:20,390 --> 01:38:17,840
cute little sneaky boys oh yeah and they

2679
01:38:23,510 --> 01:38:20,400
they startled me uh i mean

2680
01:38:24,790 --> 01:38:23,520
i d i did scream like a girl uh but you

2681
01:38:26,790 --> 01:38:24,800
know they're not poisonous so i was like

2682
01:38:29,350 --> 01:38:26,800
oh okay well hopefully birdie doesn't

2683
01:38:31,830 --> 01:38:29,360
see them and eat them but uh like

2684
01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:31,840
because we just we just so happen to get

2685
01:38:35,109 --> 01:38:33,840
close enough to where we noticed each

2686
01:38:38,470 --> 01:38:35,119
other

2687
01:38:39,910 --> 01:38:38,480
via uh you know i saw it it smelled me

2688
01:38:43,669 --> 01:38:39,920
or saw me

2689
01:38:44,709 --> 01:38:43,679
and those those uh fields uh did not

2690
01:38:47,350 --> 01:38:44,719
connect

2691
01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:47,360
just on a on a very

2692
01:38:52,229 --> 01:38:50,320
molecular level we repelled each other

2693
01:38:53,350 --> 01:38:52,239
the stick went that way i went this way

2694
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:53,360
screaming

2695
01:38:56,950 --> 01:38:54,719
uh you know

2696
01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:56,960
i scream it was like for a second okay

2697
01:39:01,189 --> 01:38:59,040
but um

2698
01:39:01,830 --> 01:39:01,199
there's there's a communication there

2699
01:39:03,510 --> 01:39:01,840
so

2700
01:39:05,750 --> 01:39:03,520
we have a question from the chat it says

2701
01:39:07,990 --> 01:39:05,760
eric for those out there that are having

2702
01:39:10,629 --> 01:39:08,000
problems processing the things they

2703
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:10,639
might have experienced what is the

2704
01:39:15,430 --> 01:39:13,920
best path forward for them

2705
01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:15,440
that's a good question well of course it

2706
01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:17,679
varies from person to person

2707
01:39:20,149 --> 01:39:18,480
um

2708
01:39:22,550 --> 01:39:20,159
you know there's no the

2709
01:39:23,910 --> 01:39:22,560
though my screen name is uap therapist

2710
01:39:26,070 --> 01:39:23,920
is really nothing

2711
01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:26,080
like a uap therapist out there we just

2712
01:39:30,550 --> 01:39:27,920
have therapists that address

2713
01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:30,560
uh how to reduce the frequency and

2714
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:31,760
intensity

2715
01:39:35,590 --> 01:39:34,320
of symptoms so unfortunately you know

2716
01:39:39,270 --> 01:39:35,600
you can't

2717
01:39:41,510 --> 01:39:39,280
there's no real solution for maybe um

2718
01:39:43,430 --> 01:39:41,520
an overwhelming uap experience so we'd

2719
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:43,440
have to use something that we have

2720
01:39:47,830 --> 01:39:45,760
experience with in the past so i kind of

2721
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:47,840
classify

2722
01:39:52,790 --> 01:39:50,320
and they're not all like this but

2723
01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:52,800
i would classify a lot of ua peer

2724
01:39:57,669 --> 01:39:54,480
experiences as

2725
01:39:59,510 --> 01:39:57,679
a traumatic event okay so we have people

2726
01:40:03,189 --> 01:39:59,520
who get in car crashes and they're

2727
01:40:05,189 --> 01:40:03,199
assaulted and they're in combat right so

2728
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:05,199
it doesn't have to be with uap some kind

2729
01:40:08,629 --> 01:40:06,000
of

2730
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:08,639
physical injury you were taken against

2731
01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:09,920
your will

2732
01:40:14,070 --> 01:40:12,560
something like that it could just be

2733
01:40:16,870 --> 01:40:14,080
completely

2734
01:40:18,870 --> 01:40:16,880
overwhelming right so somebody in combat

2735
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:18,880
can have a traumatic experience by just

2736
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:20,560
witnessing something

2737
01:40:26,229 --> 01:40:23,280
they're not physically harmed and maybe

2738
01:40:28,629 --> 01:40:26,239
we could say a uap experience is kind of

2739
01:40:31,350 --> 01:40:28,639
similar there might be some overlap

2740
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:31,360
in symptoms or maybe even the event

2741
01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:34,080
itself you know so what do people do

2742
01:40:39,910 --> 01:40:37,119
when they experience a traumatic event

2743
01:40:42,149 --> 01:40:39,920
um other people like to excuse me people

2744
01:40:44,310 --> 01:40:42,159
who experience traumatic events find

2745
01:40:47,270 --> 01:40:44,320
great power in

2746
01:40:49,510 --> 01:40:47,280
confiding in people who have a shared

2747
01:40:51,669 --> 01:40:49,520
experience right that's why we have

2748
01:40:53,669 --> 01:40:51,679
support groups for

2749
01:40:55,669 --> 01:40:53,679
combat veterans that's why we have

2750
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:55,679
support groups for

2751
01:41:00,229 --> 01:40:57,600
uh people who are victims of human

2752
01:41:04,229 --> 01:41:00,239
trafficking people who were sexually

2753
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:04,239
assaulted people who had a spouse die

2754
01:41:08,470 --> 01:41:06,480
right they go to these it's kind of like

2755
01:41:10,629 --> 01:41:08,480
we were talking about way earlier this

2756
01:41:12,310 --> 01:41:10,639
podcast when somebody comes to my office

2757
01:41:14,229 --> 01:41:12,320
and they just tell me tell me tell me

2758
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:14,239
tell me tell me and i go wow that sounds

2759
01:41:19,590 --> 01:41:16,639
horrible and they're like oh

2760
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:19,600
thank you somebody finally gets it

2761
01:41:23,510 --> 01:41:21,600
you know making contact with other

2762
01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:23,520
experiencers i think would be a really

2763
01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:26,320
good idea because it takes the

2764
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:27,760
loneliness

2765
01:41:32,390 --> 01:41:29,920
out of the journey right i think that's

2766
01:41:34,870 --> 01:41:32,400
a really good approach or you could see

2767
01:41:36,310 --> 01:41:34,880
a therapist you know somebody like me if

2768
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:36,320
you don't want to do the group thing

2769
01:41:40,390 --> 01:41:38,400
either online or in person

2770
01:41:43,910 --> 01:41:40,400
you could work with a therapist and what

2771
01:41:46,470 --> 01:41:43,920
we call it is narrative therapy right so

2772
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:46,480
if somebody experienced something that

2773
01:41:50,950 --> 01:41:49,360
was unpleasant overwhelming

2774
01:41:52,550 --> 01:41:50,960
something like that they could do

2775
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:52,560
narrative therapy and it's just they're

2776
01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:55,280
going to tell me the story right they're

2777
01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:56,800
going to tell me

2778
01:42:01,669 --> 01:41:58,960
any aspect of the story it totally

2779
01:42:04,629 --> 01:42:01,679
sucked i was scared i couldn't believe

2780
01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:04,639
it was happening nobody believes me why

2781
01:42:08,470 --> 01:42:06,400
me i was just driving down the road

2782
01:42:10,390 --> 01:42:08,480
minding my own business right

2783
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:10,400
whatever happened to them in that

2784
01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:12,400
experience they could confide in other

2785
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:14,800
people to find that shared experience

2786
01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:16,800
or they could work with a professional

2787
01:42:19,990 --> 01:42:18,400
and basically they come in they're like

2788
01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:20,000
i gotta tell somebody

2789
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:23,360
i gotta get this off my chest right

2790
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:24,480
and again

2791
01:42:29,430 --> 01:42:27,119
you have to be very careful who you tell

2792
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:29,440
because somebody might say you're crazy

2793
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:31,360
somebody might say oh that happened so

2794
01:42:36,149 --> 01:42:34,480
long ago again be dismissive so what you

2795
01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:36,159
really need is somebody with a shared

2796
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:37,840
experience or a professional who knows

2797
01:42:41,830 --> 01:42:39,600
how to listen right

2798
01:42:45,189 --> 01:42:41,840
you know probably another one is just to

2799
01:42:46,550 --> 01:42:45,199
educate yourself right so that might you

2800
01:42:48,709 --> 01:42:46,560
know like we were talking earlier this

2801
01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:48,719
whole damn thing is one giant puzzle

2802
01:42:53,430 --> 01:42:51,600
right so they can educate themselves on

2803
01:42:56,070 --> 01:42:53,440
what might this be

2804
01:42:59,270 --> 01:42:56,080
where might it come from i think the

2805
01:43:00,390 --> 01:42:59,280
more knowledge we have the less anxious

2806
01:43:02,310 --> 01:43:00,400
we are

2807
01:43:04,870 --> 01:43:02,320
does that sound about yeah you guys get

2808
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:04,880
what i'm saying absolutely absolutely

2809
01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:05,920
yeah

2810
01:43:13,030 --> 01:43:10,560
definitely like kind of calms calms the

2811
01:43:14,070 --> 01:43:13,040
anxiety of the whole situation you know

2812
01:43:16,149 --> 01:43:14,080
it's kind of like what i was talking

2813
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:16,159
about earlier with the like you know if

2814
01:43:20,950 --> 01:43:18,239
we knew like what we were actually

2815
01:43:23,669 --> 01:43:20,960
capable of technologically wise like if

2816
01:43:26,870 --> 01:43:23,679
if the whole human race knew that we

2817
01:43:29,590 --> 01:43:26,880
have the technology to fly 9000 miles an

2818
01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:29,600
hour right that would then like open a

2819
01:43:33,669 --> 01:43:31,760
whole nother level of like possibilities

2820
01:43:36,229 --> 01:43:33,679
in the mind of like

2821
01:43:39,270 --> 01:43:36,239
oh it's literally happening right now

2822
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:39,280
dude we're like yeah it makes this not

2823
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:40,400
so bad

2824
01:43:44,229 --> 01:43:42,000
because now we can move on to this but

2825
01:43:46,149 --> 01:43:44,239
at least now i have like a ground level

2826
01:43:48,470 --> 01:43:46,159
i have something i can stand on

2827
01:43:50,790 --> 01:43:48,480
something i can build off of yeah just a

2828
01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:50,800
little bit of knowledge definitely can

2829
01:43:54,550 --> 01:43:53,440
can make you feel good that's for sure

2830
01:43:57,030 --> 01:43:54,560
yeah i guess

2831
01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:57,040
oh sorry i didn't mean to interrupt um

2832
01:44:01,830 --> 01:43:59,040
i guess what i was getting at is it is

2833
01:44:03,430 --> 01:44:01,840
not a good idea to isolate that that's

2834
01:44:05,430 --> 01:44:03,440
probably right at the bottom of the list

2835
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:05,440
of things you want to do

2836
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:07,440
i agree i agree

2837
01:44:13,590 --> 01:44:10,400
yeah i i was gonna say just just to your

2838
01:44:15,510 --> 01:44:13,600
point eric and joe like uh what we're

2839
01:44:18,149 --> 01:44:15,520
seeing like even just this week with the

2840
01:44:21,030 --> 01:44:18,159
congressional uh uh

2841
01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:21,040
public hearings the first public

2842
01:44:24,709 --> 01:44:22,800
hearings in 50 years

2843
01:44:26,950 --> 01:44:24,719
one of the main topics and i just loved

2844
01:44:29,189 --> 01:44:26,960
this man i loved it they were one of the

2845
01:44:31,030 --> 01:44:29,199
main points to the introduction was hey

2846
01:44:32,070 --> 01:44:31,040
we want to get rid of the stigma man

2847
01:44:35,750 --> 01:44:32,080
like

2848
01:44:40,229 --> 01:44:35,760
very

2849
01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:40,239
of the best sir people are seeing this

2850
01:44:45,750 --> 01:44:41,840
stuff let's just get rid of this stuff

2851
01:44:48,070 --> 01:44:45,760
and it's a rebranding i mean like

2852
01:44:51,189 --> 01:44:48,080
it's just beautiful to see so it is i'm

2853
01:44:54,390 --> 01:44:51,199
just glad to see that that is even in

2854
01:44:56,550 --> 01:44:54,400
the public zeitgeist and it is like my

2855
01:44:59,270 --> 01:44:56,560
grandma like reached out and was like

2856
01:45:00,950 --> 01:44:59,280
hey send me like a screenshot

2857
01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:00,960
what are you where when when are you

2858
01:45:04,950 --> 01:45:02,800
coming on i'm like

2859
01:45:07,590 --> 01:45:04,960
well we're not there yet

2860
01:45:10,709 --> 01:45:07,600
but you know that's cool you're watching

2861
01:45:11,590 --> 01:45:10,719
yeah yeah oh i i totally agree with you

2862
01:45:15,510 --> 01:45:11,600
and

2863
01:45:17,910 --> 01:45:15,520
i think he's democrat from indiana he he

2864
01:45:19,590 --> 01:45:17,920
was kind of the guy running the show

2865
01:45:22,310 --> 01:45:19,600
and uh it was

2866
01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:22,320
probably the third sentence he said

2867
01:45:26,950 --> 01:45:24,880
he goes this the stigma has to end and i

2868
01:45:29,590 --> 01:45:26,960
remember him specifically saying

2869
01:45:33,109 --> 01:45:29,600
if you report a uap you are now a

2870
01:45:36,149 --> 01:45:33,119
witness and not a kook that i was

2871
01:45:39,270 --> 01:45:36,159
floored so awesome but they put such

2872
01:45:41,669 --> 01:45:39,280
an empathetic human face on that meeting

2873
01:45:44,790 --> 01:45:41,679
again i was i was pretty impressed yeah

2874
01:45:47,189 --> 01:45:44,800
yeah you know i uh i always feel bad

2875
01:45:49,510 --> 01:45:47,199
because like you know

2876
01:45:51,669 --> 01:45:49,520
i'll poo poo the whole thing right right

2877
01:45:52,950 --> 01:45:51,679
off the bat you know just because

2878
01:45:54,470 --> 01:45:52,960
i just

2879
01:45:55,910 --> 01:45:54,480
it's just all it's just you know you

2880
01:45:58,470 --> 01:45:55,920
don't think about it you don't think

2881
01:45:59,910 --> 01:45:58,480
about like the important pieces that uh

2882
01:46:01,910 --> 01:45:59,920
that other people

2883
01:46:03,910 --> 01:46:01,920
haven't come to the realization of yet

2884
01:46:06,229 --> 01:46:03,920
you know to like in my mind it's like i

2885
01:46:08,550 --> 01:46:06,239
didn't i didn't even need any proof like

2886
01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:08,560
for some reason you just feel like

2887
01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:10,000
it exists i don't know what it is i

2888
01:46:13,669 --> 01:46:12,000
can't tell you what it is but i feel it

2889
01:46:15,030 --> 01:46:13,679
in my bones right you know you just have

2890
01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:15,040
that feeling but

2891
01:46:19,590 --> 01:46:17,280
uh there is a lot of cool stuff that

2892
01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:19,600
came out of that and and what you you

2893
01:46:23,669 --> 01:46:22,080
guys were talking about is definitely

2894
01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:23,679
one of the most important parts is like

2895
01:46:29,109 --> 01:46:26,400
hey we gotta kill the stigma this isn't

2896
01:46:30,790 --> 01:46:29,119
crazy like that was that was great you

2897
01:46:33,189 --> 01:46:30,800
know yeah

2898
01:46:35,270 --> 01:46:33,199
so and we're gonna talk about it

2899
01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:35,280
probably a few more times because it is

2900
01:46:39,030 --> 01:46:38,080
it's huge i mean it is huge it's it's

2901
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:39,040
like

2902
01:46:44,070 --> 01:46:40,719
it's the first time i've talked about it

2903
01:46:47,590 --> 01:46:44,080
in in over 50 years you know was it like

2904
01:46:49,109 --> 01:46:47,600
tasty juicy stuff not exactly but again

2905
01:46:51,990 --> 01:46:49,119
it's something i've been interested in

2906
01:46:54,550 --> 01:46:52,000
for a long time so like i'm just ready

2907
01:46:57,669 --> 01:46:54,560
for the juicy stuff right but is it

2908
01:46:59,510 --> 01:46:57,679
juicy stuff to is it not juicy for us

2909
01:47:01,270 --> 01:46:59,520
because we're like our relativeness to

2910
01:47:04,870 --> 01:47:01,280
the subject like as we talk about it all

2911
01:47:06,149 --> 01:47:04,880
the time because dude i think it's

2912
01:47:07,750 --> 01:47:06,159
like somebody could turn on the news

2913
01:47:09,669 --> 01:47:07,760
right now and see some legit

2914
01:47:12,229 --> 01:47:09,679
conversations happening

2915
01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:12,239
with some really smart people yeah

2916
01:47:15,669 --> 01:47:14,560
it is it is juicy like that part is

2917
01:47:18,310 --> 01:47:15,679
juicy but

2918
01:47:20,790 --> 01:47:18,320
i think i enjoyed just ignoring it and

2919
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:20,800
being like i told you

2920
01:47:25,030 --> 01:47:22,880
honestly same same like

2921
01:47:27,669 --> 01:47:25,040
i am validated i don't need to uh

2922
01:47:30,470 --> 01:47:27,679
express that in any food shape or form

2923
01:47:32,149 --> 01:47:30,480
uh i feel good about it

2924
01:47:33,669 --> 01:47:32,159
it's almost almost like a like a slap on

2925
01:47:35,750 --> 01:47:33,679
the butt like keep going

2926
01:47:37,510 --> 01:47:35,760
i've gotten a couple texts like that

2927
01:47:38,310 --> 01:47:37,520
stuff you were talking about is real i'm

2928
01:47:41,270 --> 01:47:38,320
like

2929
01:47:43,750 --> 01:47:41,280
yeah i know i know i told you

2930
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:43,760
and it's not like a talk down like

2931
01:47:47,430 --> 01:47:45,840
it's like a yeah i know welcome i'm

2932
01:47:50,950 --> 01:47:47,440
excited for you to start your journey

2933
01:47:54,390 --> 01:47:50,960
welcome to the future you know

2934
01:47:56,629 --> 01:47:54,400
it's that it's that that uh that opening

2935
01:47:59,590 --> 01:47:56,639
of a of a new door on like oh my

2936
01:48:00,629 --> 01:47:59,600
goodness this is possible wow that's

2937
01:48:03,030 --> 01:48:00,639
that's

2938
01:48:05,030 --> 01:48:03,040
like i don't know it's like any time

2939
01:48:06,709 --> 01:48:05,040
like it's literally the biggest thing to

2940
01:48:08,870 --> 01:48:06,719
happen since like

2941
01:48:09,910 --> 01:48:08,880
you watched neil armstrong walk on the

2942
01:48:12,709 --> 01:48:09,920
moon

2943
01:48:13,830 --> 01:48:12,719
it's like the biggest thing ever

2944
01:48:15,669 --> 01:48:13,840
yeah you know

2945
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:15,679
because that opened so many doors but

2946
01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:16,560
this

2947
01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:18,400
is like okay

2948
01:48:22,629 --> 01:48:21,040
now we're officially like off planet off

2949
01:48:24,629 --> 01:48:22,639
planet or

2950
01:48:27,109 --> 01:48:24,639
out of this dimension whatever it is

2951
01:48:30,470 --> 01:48:27,119
that we decide it's gonna be like in the

2952
01:48:33,350 --> 01:48:30,480
future it's gonna be just

2953
01:48:34,790 --> 01:48:33,360
world world shifting in the biggest way

2954
01:48:38,629 --> 01:48:34,800
possible

2955
01:48:41,189 --> 01:48:38,639
so dude i 100 agree and i gotta i guess

2956
01:48:42,870 --> 01:48:41,199
i got a question for for eric like going

2957
01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:42,880
into this what's gonna happen in the

2958
01:48:46,390 --> 01:48:44,800
next couple years

2959
01:48:49,189 --> 01:48:46,400
is is gonna be

2960
01:48:52,149 --> 01:48:49,199
pr pretty uh uh pretty different uh

2961
01:48:54,310 --> 01:48:52,159
pretty juxtaposed to the last 70 years

2962
01:48:56,950 --> 01:48:54,320
where this topic really became in the

2963
01:49:00,790 --> 01:48:56,960
cultural zeitgeist yeah how do you plan

2964
01:49:01,910 --> 01:49:00,800
on on tackling uh what's to come uh

2965
01:49:04,629 --> 01:49:01,920
with people

2966
01:49:06,070 --> 01:49:04,639
um experiencing more and more because i

2967
01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:06,080
think it's going to happen

2968
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:07,360
do you have a

2969
01:49:09,910 --> 01:49:08,960
a plan on

2970
01:49:11,430 --> 01:49:09,920
uh

2971
01:49:13,589 --> 01:49:11,440
on what's going to happen because i

2972
01:49:15,589 --> 01:49:13,599
didn't if i could add on that if i could

2973
01:49:17,109 --> 01:49:15,599
add on that just a little bit

2974
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:17,119
you're probably not going to be dealing

2975
01:49:19,910 --> 01:49:18,880
with just experience your clients now

2976
01:49:21,589 --> 01:49:19,920
you're going to be dealing with just

2977
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:21,599
regular people who are trying to cope

2978
01:49:25,189 --> 01:49:23,280
with the terms that now there's

2979
01:49:27,270 --> 01:49:25,199
something else out there you know oh

2980
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:27,280
yeah that's a good point yeah oh both

2981
01:49:30,450 --> 01:49:28,960
very good points

2982
01:49:32,070 --> 01:49:30,460
yeah i um

2983
01:49:33,750 --> 01:49:32,080
[Music]

2984
01:49:35,589 --> 01:49:33,760
i anticipate

2985
01:49:38,229 --> 01:49:35,599
working with people

2986
01:49:39,350 --> 01:49:38,239
joe mentioned i think it's going to be

2987
01:49:42,550 --> 01:49:39,360
people

2988
01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:42,560
with a lot of anxiety about this

2989
01:49:45,669 --> 01:49:44,560
evidence coming out

2990
01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:45,679
and

2991
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:47,760
they're just overwhelmed they're

2992
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:51,440
overwhelmed and that's why i make it i i

2993
01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:53,520
think i'm obligated

2994
01:49:59,109 --> 01:49:56,960
to keep up to date with everything

2995
01:50:00,470 --> 01:49:59,119
that's happening and educate myself the

2996
01:50:02,390 --> 01:50:00,480
best i can

2997
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:02,400
because i mean what a pleasant surprise

2998
01:50:05,669 --> 01:50:04,800
if you were really anxious about

2999
01:50:07,030 --> 01:50:05,679
um

3000
01:50:07,990 --> 01:50:07,040
and and

3001
01:50:12,629 --> 01:50:08,000
this

3002
01:50:16,629 --> 01:50:12,639
like the starting gun has been fired

3003
01:50:18,149 --> 01:50:16,639
right and we're off we're off right and

3004
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:18,159
a lot of people are critical of that

3005
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:20,080
meeting again i thought it was

3006
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:22,560
outstanding because the message was

3007
01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:25,679
this is i i took three things out of it

3008
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:27,520
these things are real

3009
01:50:30,870 --> 01:50:29,280
we're very concerned

3010
01:50:33,109 --> 01:50:30,880
we're all in this together

3011
01:50:35,510 --> 01:50:33,119
that's the message i got like what else

3012
01:50:36,629 --> 01:50:35,520
do you want yeah i don't i don't need i

3013
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:36,639
don't need

3014
01:50:40,629 --> 01:50:39,280
the infamous 23-minute video where you

3015
01:50:42,070 --> 01:50:40,639
can look and

3016
01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:42,080
that will come that way i don't know

3017
01:50:45,510 --> 01:50:44,080
what the aliens look like yeah you know

3018
01:50:47,669 --> 01:50:45,520
what you know what'd be better is that

3019
01:50:48,390 --> 01:50:47,679
you get your own experience man like

3020
01:50:53,270 --> 01:50:48,400
just

3021
01:50:55,750 --> 01:50:53,280
it was a great message

3022
01:50:57,830 --> 01:50:55,760
overall um

3023
01:51:00,470 --> 01:50:57,840
but getting back to the clients yeah

3024
01:51:02,229 --> 01:51:00,480
it's gonna be people who

3025
01:51:05,270 --> 01:51:02,239
kind of start

3026
01:51:07,669 --> 01:51:05,280
getting into uaps and seeing this and

3027
01:51:08,709 --> 01:51:07,679
then they're like oh [\h__\h] dude this

3028
01:51:10,550 --> 01:51:08,719
stuff's

3029
01:51:12,470 --> 01:51:10,560
real did you read this article i read

3030
01:51:14,149 --> 01:51:12,480
this article and i watched this podcast

3031
01:51:16,550 --> 01:51:14,159
and they saying all these crazy things

3032
01:51:19,589 --> 01:51:16,560
and dude i think they're correct so i

3033
01:51:22,790 --> 01:51:19,599
think i'm gonna have clients coming in

3034
01:51:25,510 --> 01:51:22,800
because they're overwhelmed and i mean

3035
01:51:26,709 --> 01:51:25,520
in short your your world view

3036
01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:26,719
is

3037
01:51:37,270 --> 01:51:35,040
out and man how awesome would it be

3038
01:51:38,709 --> 01:51:37,280
if somebody comes in and sees me maybe a

3039
01:51:39,510 --> 01:51:38,719
client i've been seeing for the past

3040
01:51:41,589 --> 01:51:39,520
year

3041
01:51:43,430 --> 01:51:41,599
and they want to talk about it

3042
01:51:46,629 --> 01:51:43,440
and i come back with

3043
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:46,639
i am very familiar with this

3044
01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:48,719
they would feel so

3045
01:51:52,950 --> 01:51:50,800
good because we wouldn't kind of be

3046
01:51:54,709 --> 01:51:52,960
solving these mysteries like i can tell

3047
01:51:56,229 --> 01:51:54,719
them about the evidence i could tell

3048
01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:56,239
them i've been researching this for the

3049
01:52:00,709 --> 01:51:58,480
past year and a half

3050
01:52:03,589 --> 01:52:00,719
and when they have questions i'll be

3051
01:52:06,709 --> 01:52:03,599
able to answer them and educate them

3052
01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:06,719
which may reduce the anxiety a little so

3053
01:52:11,109 --> 01:52:09,199
that's going to be one population

3054
01:52:13,109 --> 01:52:11,119
when it comes to pure

3055
01:52:14,310 --> 01:52:13,119
experiencers

3056
01:52:17,510 --> 01:52:14,320
you know i'm going to use all the

3057
01:52:19,510 --> 01:52:17,520
approaches that we discussed earlier you

3058
01:52:22,629 --> 01:52:19,520
know quite frankly

3059
01:52:25,189 --> 01:52:22,639
i'm surprised i've never had a client a

3060
01:52:26,709 --> 01:52:25,199
non-uap experiencer

3061
01:52:29,350 --> 01:52:26,719
bring this stuff up

3062
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:29,360
um i have two clients who i've kind of

3063
01:52:34,229 --> 01:52:31,599
mentioned it in passing and they knew

3064
01:52:35,669 --> 01:52:34,239
what your uaps were they were familiar

3065
01:52:37,589 --> 01:52:35,679
with the nimitz

3066
01:52:39,350 --> 01:52:37,599
incident and then i had a third client

3067
01:52:41,350 --> 01:52:39,360
who watched a bob lazar video a couple

3068
01:52:43,669 --> 01:52:41,360
times and knew about lazar

3069
01:52:46,550 --> 01:52:43,679
other than that nobody's mentioned it

3070
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:46,560
and even all my friends i've never had a

3071
01:52:49,589 --> 01:52:47,520
friend

3072
01:52:51,589 --> 01:52:49,599
bring it up like dude did you hear about

3073
01:52:53,589 --> 01:52:51,599
this congressional hearing

3074
01:52:55,830 --> 01:52:53,599
and that's for a couple reasons look

3075
01:52:57,830 --> 01:52:55,840
we're all not the same and if we were

3076
01:53:01,109 --> 01:52:57,840
life would be really boring

3077
01:53:02,790 --> 01:53:01,119
and my friend who's

3078
01:53:04,629 --> 01:53:02,800
married so she's got her husband and

3079
01:53:07,030 --> 01:53:04,639
she's got her two kids

3080
01:53:09,510 --> 01:53:07,040
the husband and wife work full-time

3081
01:53:11,750 --> 01:53:09,520
they're fixing up their house

3082
01:53:14,149 --> 01:53:11,760
people have better things to do i have

3083
01:53:18,390 --> 01:53:14,159
the luxury that i have a lot of spare

3084
01:53:19,990 --> 01:53:18,400
time to look into uaps and i got kind of

3085
01:53:21,669 --> 01:53:20,000
not frustrated with her but i was just

3086
01:53:23,189 --> 01:53:21,679
astounded that

3087
01:53:24,629 --> 01:53:23,199
you know i sent her a couple links and i

3088
01:53:27,350 --> 01:53:24,639
was like oh this is totally gonna blow

3089
01:53:29,350 --> 01:53:27,360
her mind and she looked at him and she

3090
01:53:31,589 --> 01:53:29,360
was like yeah i get it and i was like

3091
01:53:33,270 --> 01:53:31,599
aaron what the hell are you talking like

3092
01:53:34,709 --> 01:53:33,280
your mind is supposed to be blown and

3093
01:53:36,070 --> 01:53:34,719
i'm getting mad at you because your mind

3094
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:36,080
isn't blown

3095
01:53:38,790 --> 01:53:37,520
and she says

3096
01:53:41,109 --> 01:53:38,800
eric i

3097
01:53:43,030 --> 01:53:41,119
i have two kids with a lot of food

3098
01:53:44,550 --> 01:53:43,040
allergies and a picky husband i'm trying

3099
01:53:45,430 --> 01:53:44,560
to cook dinner

3100
01:54:00,390 --> 01:53:45,440
i

3101
01:54:02,550 --> 01:54:00,400
my phone when one lands on your front

3102
01:54:04,390 --> 01:54:02,560
yard and you want to know stuff about it

3103
01:54:07,109 --> 01:54:04,400
yeah it's too late yeah it's going to

3104
01:54:11,510 --> 01:54:09,750
oh god i love that story eric dude i

3105
01:54:14,070 --> 01:54:11,520
thank you for sharing that because like

3106
01:54:16,470 --> 01:54:14,080
i resonate with that so much man without

3107
01:54:18,470 --> 01:54:16,480
going into too much detail but like so

3108
01:54:19,990 --> 01:54:18,480
many of my friends are like no dude i

3109
01:54:22,310 --> 01:54:20,000
get it like

3110
01:54:24,790 --> 01:54:22,320
great like awesome but i've got other

3111
01:54:27,430 --> 01:54:24,800
[\h__\h] going on that like directly

3112
01:54:29,270 --> 01:54:27,440
involves me like feeding other babies

3113
01:54:30,709 --> 01:54:29,280
mouths like right let's just

3114
01:54:34,149 --> 01:54:30,719
talk about that

3115
01:54:36,870 --> 01:54:34,159
and hey that's that's fine man

3116
01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:36,880
and and yeah i think at the beginning of

3117
01:54:39,430 --> 01:54:38,320
one's journey if

3118
01:54:40,149 --> 01:54:39,440
just bringing this

3119
01:54:41,830 --> 01:54:40,159
just

3120
01:54:43,669 --> 01:54:41,840
winding it backwards for a second if

3121
01:54:45,109 --> 01:54:43,679
anybody else is else out there is

3122
01:54:46,629 --> 01:54:45,119
thinking about this is like dude if

3123
01:54:49,350 --> 01:54:46,639
you've been through an experience like

3124
01:54:51,830 --> 01:54:49,360
last week it's probably really fresh

3125
01:54:55,589 --> 01:54:51,840
and you need to talk to somebody

3126
01:54:57,669 --> 01:54:55,599
and you need to absolutely do that

3127
01:54:58,950 --> 01:54:57,679
and and i i guess my last question is

3128
01:55:01,109 --> 01:54:58,960
like

3129
01:55:02,550 --> 01:55:01,119
do you think that time and and and

3130
01:55:05,189 --> 01:55:02,560
speaking about it and connecting with

3131
01:55:07,669 --> 01:55:05,199
people as as social creatures as humans

3132
01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:07,679
like do you think that's the remedy

3133
01:55:11,350 --> 01:55:09,360
do you think like there's no drug out

3134
01:55:12,390 --> 01:55:11,360
there that you can take to get rid of

3135
01:55:13,910 --> 01:55:12,400
this right

3136
01:55:19,350 --> 01:55:13,920
yeah

3137
01:55:20,629 --> 01:55:19,360
connection uh i think it's about telling

3138
01:55:23,030 --> 01:55:20,639
your story

3139
01:55:24,950 --> 01:55:23,040
you know that there's not really a

3140
01:55:27,030 --> 01:55:24,960
a cure you know like if you have a

3141
01:55:28,550 --> 01:55:27,040
specific mental illness we have some

3142
01:55:29,830 --> 01:55:28,560
really good medications out there that

3143
01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:29,840
can help

3144
01:55:34,950 --> 01:55:32,560
uh but in this case it's

3145
01:55:37,109 --> 01:55:34,960
it it's it's unique

3146
01:55:39,750 --> 01:55:37,119
right so if we have somebody

3147
01:55:42,390 --> 01:55:39,760
experiencing maybe anxiety or even

3148
01:55:44,310 --> 01:55:42,400
post-traumatic stress disorder

3149
01:55:46,229 --> 01:55:44,320
we we can treat that right we have

3150
01:55:48,310 --> 01:55:46,239
medication we have talk therapy

3151
01:55:50,470 --> 01:55:48,320
approaches and stuff like that

3152
01:55:51,430 --> 01:55:50,480
um but it's this

3153
01:55:53,669 --> 01:55:51,440
whole

3154
01:55:57,669 --> 01:55:53,679
other

3155
01:55:59,589 --> 01:55:57,679
whether you're thinking about where did

3156
01:56:02,870 --> 01:55:59,599
we come from or

3157
01:56:04,310 --> 01:56:02,880
religion or philosophy or future or

3158
01:56:06,229 --> 01:56:04,320
other dimensions

3159
01:56:07,669 --> 01:56:06,239
there are just so many more questions

3160
01:56:10,629 --> 01:56:07,679
than answers

3161
01:56:12,950 --> 01:56:10,639
and yeah i think connection is

3162
01:56:15,990 --> 01:56:12,960
not the cure but it's a really good idea

3163
01:56:18,790 --> 01:56:16,000
because again isolating is that that

3164
01:56:21,750 --> 01:56:18,800
should be at the bottom of your list

3165
01:56:24,470 --> 01:56:21,760
love it definitely love it definitely

3166
01:56:27,030 --> 01:56:24,480
we're getting pretty close to the end uh

3167
01:56:29,109 --> 01:56:27,040
eric man this has been absolutely

3168
01:56:30,950 --> 01:56:29,119
awesome man it's been so great talking

3169
01:56:33,669 --> 01:56:30,960
to you someone would say that what

3170
01:56:35,510 --> 01:56:33,679
you're doing right now is very brave

3171
01:56:37,109 --> 01:56:35,520
right i got to tell you ben and i have

3172
01:56:39,270 --> 01:56:37,119
been working on a documentary for about

3173
01:56:42,790 --> 01:56:39,280
two years do you know how hard it has

3174
01:56:45,189 --> 01:56:42,800
been to get somebody um uh like you with

3175
01:56:48,229 --> 01:56:45,199
your qualifications even talk about it

3176
01:56:50,629 --> 01:56:48,239
like it has been yeah a nightmare right

3177
01:56:52,229 --> 01:56:50,639
we've tried talking to physicians and

3178
01:56:54,950 --> 01:56:52,239
other just like

3179
01:56:57,430 --> 01:56:54,960
in the medical field and and dude it is

3180
01:56:59,189 --> 01:56:57,440
so tough everybody's like i'll write it

3181
01:57:00,550 --> 01:56:59,199
down on a sticky note

3182
01:57:03,350 --> 01:57:00,560
like okay right

3183
01:57:04,629 --> 01:57:03,360
yeah and uh ross coldheart i'm sure you

3184
01:57:05,510 --> 01:57:04,639
know uh

3185
01:57:10,790 --> 01:57:05,520
he's

3186
01:57:14,149 --> 01:57:10,800
his neck out as a really good journalist

3187
01:57:15,589 --> 01:57:14,159
and uh if anybody criticizes him he he

3188
01:57:16,870 --> 01:57:15,599
does not care

3189
01:57:18,709 --> 01:57:16,880
at all

3190
01:57:21,109 --> 01:57:18,719
and i'm on the same boat you know

3191
01:57:22,830 --> 01:57:21,119
somebody's like yeah because

3192
01:57:26,229 --> 01:57:22,840
you know experiences are being

3193
01:57:27,750 --> 01:57:26,239
criticized but i've been criticized just

3194
01:57:28,709 --> 01:57:27,760
for offering

3195
01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:28,719
help

3196
01:57:33,910 --> 01:57:30,480
you know i remember when i created my

3197
01:57:35,589 --> 01:57:33,920
twitter account the very first comment i

3198
01:57:37,350 --> 01:57:35,599
received was

3199
01:57:39,109 --> 01:57:37,360
are you [\h__\h] kidding me you could

3200
01:57:42,470 --> 01:57:39,119
have actually done something useful with

3201
01:57:45,270 --> 01:57:42,480
your degree the very first twitter

3202
01:57:47,750 --> 01:57:45,280
comment so if i'm being

3203
01:57:50,310 --> 01:57:47,760
treated like that imagine somebody who's

3204
01:57:52,070 --> 01:57:50,320
reaching out for help was being treated

3205
01:57:55,109 --> 01:57:52,080
and again we mentioned it before people

3206
01:57:56,629 --> 01:57:55,119
could be quite vicious about it

3207
01:57:59,430 --> 01:57:56,639
they really can't and you know what's

3208
01:58:01,270 --> 01:57:59,440
crazy well you know what's interesting

3209
01:58:03,270 --> 01:58:01,280
is that the most vicious people

3210
01:58:04,709 --> 01:58:03,280
especially on twitter

3211
01:58:06,149 --> 01:58:04,719
that are attacking

3212
01:58:07,990 --> 01:58:06,159
those that are coming out with their

3213
01:58:11,189 --> 01:58:08,000
story or trying to help other people are

3214
01:58:13,990 --> 01:58:11,199
often other experiencers

3215
01:58:16,390 --> 01:58:14,000
that's like it sucks and and it comes

3216
01:58:17,830 --> 01:58:16,400
from like the root of it is is that

3217
01:58:19,430 --> 01:58:17,840
self-acceptance

3218
01:58:21,669 --> 01:58:19,440
and that connection you know they're

3219
01:58:23,669 --> 01:58:21,679
lacking that like that's what that's the

3220
01:58:25,030 --> 01:58:23,679
remedy like

3221
01:58:27,750 --> 01:58:25,040
that's why i try to like

3222
01:58:30,629 --> 01:58:27,760
i think me joe and i are like hey no

3223
01:58:32,709 --> 01:58:30,639
drama don't talk [\h__\h] about anybody hey

3224
01:58:34,950 --> 01:58:32,719
be like hey dude let's talk let's let's

3225
01:58:37,510 --> 01:58:34,960
hash this out what are we talking about

3226
01:58:39,270 --> 01:58:37,520
here uh because i feel like

3227
01:58:41,430 --> 01:58:39,280
this anger is coming from a place that

3228
01:58:45,109 --> 01:58:41,440
we can we can connect on it and get

3229
01:58:48,229 --> 01:58:45,119
through so yeah i agree yeah yeah

3230
01:58:51,109 --> 01:58:48,239
dude i i've i've loved having you come

3231
01:58:52,709 --> 01:58:51,119
on i feel like we we need to like uh

3232
01:58:54,070 --> 01:58:52,719
uh introduce you

3233
01:58:57,830 --> 01:58:54,080
as like a

3234
01:59:00,390 --> 01:58:57,840
our resident uh psychologist you know

3235
01:59:02,149 --> 01:59:00,400
and and and maybe every couple months we

3236
01:59:03,589 --> 01:59:02,159
we do a segment or whatever whatever

3237
01:59:05,750 --> 01:59:03,599
you're working on dude you're always

3238
01:59:07,990 --> 01:59:05,760
welcome to come back on the show brother

3239
01:59:10,550 --> 01:59:08,000
thank you i really really appreciate it

3240
01:59:13,430 --> 01:59:10,560
absolutely man well hey you have a great

3241
01:59:15,510 --> 01:59:13,440
rest of your night man uh be safe thank

3242
01:59:17,430 --> 01:59:15,520
you so much for what you do that's been

3243
01:59:19,750 --> 01:59:17,440
you know one of the biggest things as

3244
01:59:21,510 --> 01:59:19,760
we've done this is uh man i just wish

3245
01:59:23,350 --> 01:59:21,520
somebody would listen to us and that's

3246
01:59:25,510 --> 01:59:23,360
what ben and i try to bring to the table

3247
01:59:28,070 --> 01:59:25,520
and we're so glad to have qualified

3248
01:59:29,830 --> 01:59:28,080
people like you uh kind of uh starting

3249
01:59:32,550 --> 01:59:29,840
to do the same thing man so we really

3250
01:59:35,270 --> 01:59:32,560
appreciate that yeah i'm sure everybody

3251
01:59:36,629 --> 01:59:35,280
appreciates your work especially myself

3252
01:59:38,229 --> 01:59:36,639
and uh thanks again for having me i

3253
01:59:39,990 --> 01:59:38,239
appreciate it thank you very much man

3254
01:59:43,990 --> 01:59:40,000
will you have a great night all right

3255
01:59:46,390 --> 01:59:44,000
thank you we'll talk to you later bye

3256
01:59:49,669 --> 01:59:48,310
yeah yeah yeah oh are we both pressing

3257
01:59:51,910 --> 01:59:49,679
the button

3258
01:59:55,750 --> 01:59:51,920
we're both trying to be responsible

3259
01:59:59,910 --> 01:59:57,990
you got the jacket i put a jacket on and

3260
02:00:03,189 --> 01:59:59,920
all of a sudden i i start wanting to be

3261
02:00:05,990 --> 02:00:03,199
all smart and [\h__\h] dude you are like so

3262
02:00:07,189 --> 02:00:06,000
smart today also let me let me see them

3263
02:00:09,270 --> 02:00:07,199
uh uh

3264
02:00:12,310 --> 02:00:09,280
elbow pads doug

3265
02:00:13,830 --> 02:00:12,320
that's what's up yeah damn you know you

3266
02:00:16,070 --> 02:00:13,840
know what those are for

3267
02:00:18,709 --> 02:00:16,080
for if you gotta like lay down

3268
02:00:20,950 --> 02:00:18,719
like this and take a picture

3269
02:00:22,870 --> 02:00:20,960
that's exactly what they're for

3270
02:00:23,910 --> 02:00:22,880
i don't expect you to know that yeah

3271
02:00:25,910 --> 02:00:23,920
yeah

3272
02:00:27,669 --> 02:00:25,920
it's also for like it's also for reading

3273
02:00:28,790 --> 02:00:27,679
so you put it down here then you have

3274
02:00:30,470 --> 02:00:28,800
your book

3275
02:00:31,750 --> 02:00:30,480
really close

3276
02:00:34,470 --> 02:00:31,760
because that's if you actually read

3277
02:00:36,229 --> 02:00:34,480
books you know that you read

3278
02:00:38,070 --> 02:00:36,239
and also chicken wings

3279
02:00:40,149 --> 02:00:38,080
chicken wings yeah it's for extra

3280
02:00:41,990 --> 02:00:40,159
padding did yours have the little

3281
02:00:44,950 --> 02:00:42,000
pockets on the inside of the elbows

3282
02:00:48,229 --> 02:00:44,960
where you can add extra padding no mine

3283
02:00:50,629 --> 02:00:48,239
either but we should make some

3284
02:00:53,270 --> 02:00:50,639
you know what we could do in those uh

3285
02:00:55,669 --> 02:00:53,280
pockets is put our chili in instead of

3286
02:00:56,390 --> 02:00:55,679
bananas there you go you know there you

3287
02:00:58,870 --> 02:00:56,400
go

3288
02:00:59,750 --> 02:00:58,880
oh man whoo it was getting hot in there

3289
02:01:01,189 --> 02:00:59,760
dude

3290
02:01:02,870 --> 02:01:01,199
you know i'm never taking this jacket

3291
02:01:04,950 --> 02:01:02,880
off i'm telling you that much it was

3292
02:01:07,030 --> 02:01:04,960
like 98 degrees today

3293
02:01:08,790 --> 02:01:07,040
it's nighttime but it's like summertime

3294
02:01:09,470 --> 02:01:08,800
in texas so the humidity so now it's

3295
02:01:12,390 --> 02:01:09,480
like

3296
02:01:15,030 --> 02:01:12,400
96 and a half degrees

3297
02:01:16,870 --> 02:01:15,040
dang dude yeah yeah but i got this sweet

3298
02:01:19,109 --> 02:01:16,880
fan it was pretty awesome man dude

3299
02:01:22,709 --> 02:01:19,119
wasn't that such a good conversation it

3300
02:01:24,950 --> 02:01:22,719
was so good man i am so i'm so happy and

3301
02:01:26,790 --> 02:01:24,960
dude yeah he uh we've been kind of

3302
02:01:29,109 --> 02:01:26,800
chatting back and forth on on twitter

3303
02:01:32,229 --> 02:01:29,119
and i just love his vibe man i'm just so

3304
02:01:36,149 --> 02:01:32,239
happy we got him got him on and uh

3305
02:01:37,030 --> 02:01:36,159
there's a lot to the uh to the subject

3306
02:01:38,870 --> 02:01:37,040
and

3307
02:01:40,229 --> 02:01:38,880
you know i'm just i'm just glad we were

3308
02:01:42,790 --> 02:01:40,239
able to get like actual like

3309
02:01:43,830 --> 02:01:42,800
professionals on the show to

3310
02:01:45,589 --> 02:01:43,840
go through

3311
02:01:47,589 --> 02:01:45,599
it's nice you could tell he's good

3312
02:01:50,229 --> 02:01:47,599
because like i found myself unloading a

3313
02:01:52,870 --> 02:01:50,239
whole bunch of like extra [\h__\h] that like

3314
02:01:54,709 --> 02:01:52,880
wasn't in my mind at the beginning and

3315
02:01:56,550 --> 02:01:54,719
then i would look like you know there's

3316
02:01:57,510 --> 02:01:56,560
something to that there's something to

3317
02:01:58,550 --> 02:01:57,520
that

3318
02:02:01,030 --> 02:01:58,560
like

3319
02:02:02,870 --> 02:02:01,040
this guy is good he doesn't judge people

3320
02:02:04,950 --> 02:02:02,880
that's awesome

3321
02:02:06,790 --> 02:02:04,960
that that's that's the most yeah that's

3322
02:02:09,189 --> 02:02:06,800
the most exciting part is like just no

3323
02:02:11,430 --> 02:02:09,199
judgment just a cool guy i love it yeah

3324
02:02:13,109 --> 02:02:11,440
he was really awesome i think even uh i

3325
02:02:13,990 --> 02:02:13,119
think his company gave him a shout out

3326
02:02:15,430 --> 02:02:14,000
dude

3327
02:02:17,589 --> 02:02:15,440
yeah i'm looking through the the

3328
02:02:19,109 --> 02:02:17,599
comments right now and enzo says ben

3329
02:02:21,109 --> 02:02:19,119
looks like he's going to court how what

3330
02:02:23,189 --> 02:02:21,119
about joe dude

3331
02:02:25,350 --> 02:02:23,199
he's got a ufo shirt on dude i'm the

3332
02:02:27,990 --> 02:02:25,360
opposite side of going to court for i

3333
02:02:29,990 --> 02:02:28,000
have to go too

3334
02:02:31,270 --> 02:02:30,000
you're just the guy defense i have to go

3335
02:02:34,229 --> 02:02:31,280
to court but you're just the guy

3336
02:02:36,709 --> 02:02:34,239
defending me right now oh okay you're my

3337
02:02:38,950 --> 02:02:36,719
you're my public defender

3338
02:02:41,189 --> 02:02:38,960
hey so you're honored like what's up

3339
02:02:43,030 --> 02:02:41,199
though we're both going to court just

3340
02:02:45,750 --> 02:02:43,040
for different reasons

3341
02:02:47,109 --> 02:02:45,760
no opposite

3342
02:02:49,350 --> 02:02:47,119
yeah uh

3343
02:02:51,350 --> 02:02:49,360
willow creek wellness is proud to have

3344
02:02:53,990 --> 02:02:51,360
curious and empathetic therapists like

3345
02:02:56,229 --> 02:02:54,000
eric who will support anyone seeking

3346
02:02:57,990 --> 02:02:56,239
tools to resolve anxiety depression or

3347
02:02:59,189 --> 02:02:58,000
trauma associated with unexplained

3348
02:03:01,589 --> 02:02:59,199
phenomena

3349
02:03:04,310 --> 02:03:01,599
how cool is that dude like that is so so

3350
02:03:06,870 --> 02:03:04,320
awesome yeah i'm gonna hop on yelp and

3351
02:03:08,950 --> 02:03:06,880
give them five stars just for like being

3352
02:03:11,270 --> 02:03:08,960
cool about it you know honestly honestly

3353
02:03:13,510 --> 02:03:11,280
if if everybody is still here we've got

3354
02:03:15,669 --> 02:03:13,520
we've got quite a few uh of

3355
02:03:16,870 --> 02:03:15,679
many people watching the show hey do us

3356
02:03:21,830 --> 02:03:16,880
a f

3357
02:03:24,550 --> 02:03:21,840
be awesome if we all yeah did a review

3358
02:03:26,229 --> 02:03:24,560
and said hey willow creek

3359
02:03:28,870 --> 02:03:26,239
best in the biz

3360
02:03:34,149 --> 02:03:28,880
uh open-minded fairy i mean would

3361
02:03:37,109 --> 02:03:35,030
uh

3362
02:03:39,350 --> 02:03:37,119
got grey salsa

3363
02:03:41,910 --> 02:03:39,360
heck yeah yeah

3364
02:03:43,830 --> 02:03:41,920
all right shout out to wellness uh to

3365
02:03:45,270 --> 02:03:43,840
willow creek wellness um i have an idea

3366
02:03:47,189 --> 02:03:45,280
for you guys while people are in the

3367
02:03:49,109 --> 02:03:47,199
waiting room we were discussing how

3368
02:03:51,510 --> 02:03:49,119
sometimes that can be slow and boring

3369
02:03:53,990 --> 02:03:51,520
y'all should start providing chips and

3370
02:03:56,550 --> 02:03:54,000
salsa in the waiting room just to pass

3371
02:03:58,870 --> 02:03:56,560
the time and that's why you're the new

3372
02:04:01,350 --> 02:03:58,880
branding director

3373
02:04:03,589 --> 02:04:01,360
oh well uh willow creek wellness but

3374
02:04:05,510 --> 02:04:03,599
that is so cool he had like uh not only

3375
02:04:06,790 --> 02:04:05,520
like co-workers but like

3376
02:04:09,189 --> 02:04:06,800
um

3377
02:04:11,109 --> 02:04:09,199
like yeah just support man that is so

3378
02:04:13,270 --> 02:04:11,119
cool dude i know we joke but man that is

3379
02:04:15,430 --> 02:04:13,280
that is awesome um

3380
02:04:17,030 --> 02:04:15,440
i'm gonna share my screen if anybody's

3381
02:04:19,750 --> 02:04:17,040
in the

3382
02:04:22,149 --> 02:04:19,760
denver area right is it did i say that

3383
02:04:25,189 --> 02:04:22,159
right do you think so yeah

3384
02:04:26,790 --> 02:04:25,199
uh awesome if not diversity

3385
02:04:28,310 --> 02:04:26,800
this one's about to get a really good

3386
02:04:30,870 --> 02:04:28,320
review

3387
02:04:32,870 --> 02:04:30,880
yeah this is great dude i love it love

3388
02:04:36,550 --> 02:04:32,880
it it's a great website too

3389
02:04:39,030 --> 02:04:36,560
heck yeah love that

3390
02:04:40,310 --> 02:04:39,040
where did my

3391
02:04:43,109 --> 02:04:40,320
there it is

3392
02:04:45,430 --> 02:04:43,119
colorado springs my bad not denver

3393
02:04:48,709 --> 02:04:45,440
colorado springs man this just sounds

3394
02:04:50,069 --> 02:04:48,719
like a great company uh greek people um

3395
02:04:52,470 --> 02:04:50,079
i'm just i'm just glad that they were

3396
02:04:54,069 --> 02:04:52,480
open to talking about this and then

3397
02:04:55,510 --> 02:04:54,079
you know this these are like you know

3398
02:04:57,669 --> 02:04:55,520
trained professionals like they went to

3399
02:04:59,189 --> 02:04:57,679
school and they know they know stuff you

3400
02:05:00,629 --> 02:04:59,199
know

3401
02:05:02,069 --> 02:05:00,639
we're like if you go on a podcast you

3402
02:05:03,350 --> 02:05:02,079
never know what you're going to get we

3403
02:05:08,310 --> 02:05:03,360
might

3404
02:05:09,990 --> 02:05:08,320
but at least

3405
02:05:12,629 --> 02:05:10,000
at least like a list of things not to

3406
02:05:15,589 --> 02:05:12,639
say which we don't have those lists uh

3407
02:05:17,589 --> 02:05:15,599
but uh man that anyway that was cool i

3408
02:05:18,870 --> 02:05:17,599
freaking loved it um

3409
02:05:20,709 --> 02:05:18,880
great night man

3410
02:05:23,589 --> 02:05:20,719
yeah dude also there were some some

3411
02:05:25,910 --> 02:05:23,599
questions about uh uh whether or not you

3412
02:05:28,709 --> 02:05:25,920
were partying tonight we didn't see any

3413
02:05:30,390 --> 02:05:28,719
uh uh one beer i didn't see one beer on

3414
02:05:31,589 --> 02:05:30,400
your desk tonight

3415
02:05:36,790 --> 02:05:31,599
so

3416
02:05:38,629 --> 02:05:36,800
finished my bottle of wine outside

3417
02:05:40,229 --> 02:05:38,639
earlier

3418
02:05:42,390 --> 02:05:40,239
and then when i came up here i was all

3419
02:05:44,870 --> 02:05:42,400
ready i had already drank it all so

3420
02:05:47,030 --> 02:05:44,880
i had a dr pepper and a water left

3421
02:05:49,109 --> 02:05:47,040
okay well hell yeah dude that makes

3422
02:05:50,069 --> 02:05:49,119
sense that makes yeah yeah i had already

3423
02:05:52,310 --> 02:05:50,079
drank it

3424
02:05:54,629 --> 02:05:52,320
well let's let's say this if we end up

3425
02:05:56,709 --> 02:05:54,639
doing what we're we were talking about

3426
02:05:58,229 --> 02:05:56,719
on saturday

3427
02:05:59,830 --> 02:05:58,239
how fun is that gonna be it's gonna be

3428
02:06:01,669 --> 02:05:59,840
so fun i feel like we just set up a

3429
02:06:03,109 --> 02:06:01,679
camera and just watch us cook a brisket

3430
02:06:04,629 --> 02:06:03,119
all day

3431
02:06:06,550 --> 02:06:04,639
drinking bears with the wife and the

3432
02:06:07,830 --> 02:06:06,560
babies the wives and the babies i think

3433
02:06:09,589 --> 02:06:07,840
that'd be dope

3434
02:06:12,790 --> 02:06:09,599
well hopefully we'll see you guys on

3435
02:06:14,229 --> 02:06:12,800
saturday uh joe see you guys on saturday

3436
02:06:16,709 --> 02:06:14,239
heck yeah i'm gonna ask the old lady

3437
02:06:19,189 --> 02:06:16,719
right now before i go mimi's full hey we

3438
02:06:21,030 --> 02:06:19,199
gotta go mimi's though hell yeah

3439
02:06:23,510 --> 02:06:21,040
all right everybody well hey this has

3440
02:06:25,030 --> 02:06:23,520
been uh another successful thursday

3441
02:06:26,550 --> 02:06:25,040
you're right dude i did change it i have

3442
02:06:28,550 --> 02:06:26,560
started saying successful all the time

3443
02:06:31,189 --> 02:06:28,560
because you know what every thursday is

3444
02:06:32,709 --> 02:06:31,199
successful in my book all right

3445
02:06:41,590 --> 02:06:32,719
hey

3446
02:06:44,950 --> 02:06:43,030
[Music]

3447
02:06:46,229 --> 02:06:44,960
gonna eat we're garage eat leftover

3448
02:06:47,910 --> 02:06:46,239
brisket we're gonna have a lot of meat

3449
02:06:49,830 --> 02:06:47,920
it's gonna be us boys

3450
02:06:51,189 --> 02:06:49,840
we are dude we are gonna have a lot of

3451
02:06:53,900 --> 02:06:51,199
meat

3452
02:06:55,430 --> 02:06:53,910
hell yeah more than usual you know

3453
02:06:57,030 --> 02:06:55,440
[Music]

3454
02:07:00,270 --> 02:06:57,040
all right dude see you later all right

3455
02:07:00,280 --> 02:07:06,470
[Music]

3456
02:07:21,560 --> 02:07:09,260
[Applause]